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Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> "Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?
>
> Gee, an auto service business overcharging/ripping off the customer?

Go ahead. Put non-Honda transmission fluid or antifreeze in, see what
happens.

 

"oakparker" <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting replys.
>
> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>
> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?
>
>
Thought it was pretty straightforward and my 06 Accord. Per the manual, at
15% oil life you get an indication of the service needed which is
cross-referenced in the manual. The "maintenance minder" apparently will
keep bugging you as your "oil life" decreases. In the end, it would seem
that you should have had a service done arounf 7500 miles. In my Accord, I
am at 20% oil life at 6300 miles, so I would think that I should have it
serviced at my Honda dealer at 7000-7500.

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"oakparker" <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting replys.
>
> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>
> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?
>
>
Thought it was pretty straightforward and my 06 Accord. Per the manual, at
15% oil life you get an indication of the service needed which is
cross-referenced in the manual. The "maintenance minder" apparently will
keep bugging you as your "oil life" decreases. In the end, it would seem
that you should have had a service done arounf 7500 miles. In my Accord, I
am at 20% oil life at 6300 miles, so I would think that I should have it
serviced at my Honda dealer at 7000-7500.

>
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"oakparker" <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting replys.
>
> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>
> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?
>
>
Thought it was pretty straightforward and my 06 Accord. Per the manual, at
15% oil life you get an indication of the service needed which is
cross-referenced in the manual. The "maintenance minder" apparently will
keep bugging you as your "oil life" decreases. In the end, it would seem
that you should have had a service done arounf 7500 miles. In my Accord, I
am at 20% oil life at 6300 miles, so I would think that I should have it
serviced at my Honda dealer at 7000-7500.

>
> .................................................. ..............
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"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:1hd2k9ld2xsch$.dlg@hightech.misfit:
>
>> oakparker wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>>
>> Those places tend to use the wrong fluids (e.g. generic instead of
>> manufacturer-specific) and overcharge for their services. In fact,
>> there was a news story recently about some of these places charging
>> for services that were never even performed.
>>
>
> "Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?
>
Putting generic fluid in Honda power steering will destroy the seals in the
pump and rack. The same applies to the automatic transmission or manual
transmission, but the destruction goes deeper there. Honda coolant is
compatible with some others, but it isn't hard to get ahold of coolant that
will kill your water pump which could lead to engine destruction through
overheating or timing belt failure. The trend to manufacturer-specific
fluids is growing; Hondas and Toyotas will last a long time, but won't last
long at all if care isn't taken in ensuring the right fluids are used.

Maybe I should call it a resurgence. In the 60s several parts manufacturers
(notably Girling) used natural rubber seals that would not last long if
generic brake or hydraulic fluid was used. I killed the brakes in my Lotus
because I listened to a parts guy in a store and used DOT 3 fluid. Duh!

Anyway, I've taken to getting all my fluids except motor oil at the dealer.
It's cheaper in the long run.

Mike

 

"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9848A1F23750CIDTOKENnobodyIDTOKEN@24.24.2. 167...
> High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:1hd2k9ld2xsch$.dlg@hightech.misfit:
>
>> oakparker wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>>
>> Those places tend to use the wrong fluids (e.g. generic instead of
>> manufacturer-specific) and overcharge for their services. In fact,
>> there was a news story recently about some of these places charging
>> for services that were never even performed.
>>
>
> "Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?
>
Putting generic fluid in Honda power steering will destroy the seals in the
pump and rack. The same applies to the automatic transmission or manual
transmission, but the destruction goes deeper there. Honda coolant is
compatible with some others, but it isn't hard to get ahold of coolant that
will kill your water pump which could lead to engine destruction through
overheating or timing belt failure. The trend to manufacturer-specific
fluids is growing; Hondas and Toyotas will last a long time, but won't last
long at all if care isn't taken in ensuring the right fluids are used.

Maybe I should call it a resurgence. In the 60s several parts manufacturers
(notably Girling) used natural rubber seals that would not last long if
generic brake or hydraulic fluid was used. I killed the brakes in my Lotus
because I listened to a parts guy in a store and used DOT 3 fluid. Duh!

Anyway, I've taken to getting all my fluids except motor oil at the dealer.
It's cheaper in the long run.

Mike

 

"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9848A1F23750CIDTOKENnobodyIDTOKEN@24.24.2. 167...
> High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:1hd2k9ld2xsch$.dlg@hightech.misfit:
>
>> oakparker wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>>
>> Those places tend to use the wrong fluids (e.g. generic instead of
>> manufacturer-specific) and overcharge for their services. In fact,
>> there was a news story recently about some of these places charging
>> for services that were never even performed.
>>
>
> "Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?
>
Putting generic fluid in Honda power steering will destroy the seals in the
pump and rack. The same applies to the automatic transmission or manual
transmission, but the destruction goes deeper there. Honda coolant is
compatible with some others, but it isn't hard to get ahold of coolant that
will kill your water pump which could lead to engine destruction through
overheating or timing belt failure. The trend to manufacturer-specific
fluids is growing; Hondas and Toyotas will last a long time, but won't last
long at all if care isn't taken in ensuring the right fluids are used.

Maybe I should call it a resurgence. In the 60s several parts manufacturers
(notably Girling) used natural rubber seals that would not last long if
generic brake or hydraulic fluid was used. I killed the brakes in my Lotus
because I listened to a parts guy in a store and used DOT 3 fluid. Duh!

Anyway, I've taken to getting all my fluids except motor oil at the dealer.
It's cheaper in the long run.

Mike

 

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:42:20 -0500, oakparker wrote:

> Interesting replys.
>
> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?

Because most of them do not do a very good job. They cut corners, charge
for services that they never perform, sell you services that you don't
need. Basically, unless you know what YOU are doing, I would never trust
them. I use a local place for oil changes, but I watch every step that
they take, and make them fix anything that I see them do wrong. I would do
the work myself, but it isn't worth the $5 savings for me to climb under a
car. I'll just monitor their work...

>
> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?

The manual is very clear. You just haven't read it right. There is no set
schedule, except for maximums. When things need to be done, the
maintenance minder will generally tell you.

I had my first oil change in my Civic Si at around 5500 miles, when the MM
system told me it needed to be done. That's just the way it works now.

If you are nervous about such, use the old ways. Set up your own schedule.
Change oil at 3000 and rotate tires at 5000. Change tranny fluid at 10000
if you wish. Change the brake fluid every 3 years.

But, likely, you are better off doing it when the car tells you. The
manual does have certain maximums in it (like that brake fluid suggestion),
and I would follow those, but otherwise, don't worry.

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/25/2006 2:10:22 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

If you're being chased by an angry bull, and then you notice you're also
being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep
on running.

 

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:42:20 -0500, oakparker wrote:

> Interesting replys.
>
> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?

Because most of them do not do a very good job. They cut corners, charge
for services that they never perform, sell you services that you don't
need. Basically, unless you know what YOU are doing, I would never trust
them. I use a local place for oil changes, but I watch every step that
they take, and make them fix anything that I see them do wrong. I would do
the work myself, but it isn't worth the $5 savings for me to climb under a
car. I'll just monitor their work...

>
> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?

The manual is very clear. You just haven't read it right. There is no set
schedule, except for maximums. When things need to be done, the
maintenance minder will generally tell you.

I had my first oil change in my Civic Si at around 5500 miles, when the MM
system told me it needed to be done. That's just the way it works now.

If you are nervous about such, use the old ways. Set up your own schedule.
Change oil at 3000 and rotate tires at 5000. Change tranny fluid at 10000
if you wish. Change the brake fluid every 3 years.

But, likely, you are better off doing it when the car tells you. The
manual does have certain maximums in it (like that brake fluid suggestion),
and I would follow those, but otherwise, don't worry.

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/25/2006 2:10:22 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

If you're being chased by an angry bull, and then you notice you're also
being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep
on running.

 

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:42:20 -0500, oakparker wrote:

> Interesting replys.
>
> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?

Because most of them do not do a very good job. They cut corners, charge
for services that they never perform, sell you services that you don't
need. Basically, unless you know what YOU are doing, I would never trust
them. I use a local place for oil changes, but I watch every step that
they take, and make them fix anything that I see them do wrong. I would do
the work myself, but it isn't worth the $5 savings for me to climb under a
car. I'll just monitor their work...

>
> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?

The manual is very clear. You just haven't read it right. There is no set
schedule, except for maximums. When things need to be done, the
maintenance minder will generally tell you.

I had my first oil change in my Civic Si at around 5500 miles, when the MM
system told me it needed to be done. That's just the way it works now.

If you are nervous about such, use the old ways. Set up your own schedule.
Change oil at 3000 and rotate tires at 5000. Change tranny fluid at 10000
if you wish. Change the brake fluid every 3 years.

But, likely, you are better off doing it when the car tells you. The
manual does have certain maximums in it (like that brake fluid suggestion),
and I would follow those, but otherwise, don't worry.

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/25/2006 2:10:22 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

If you're being chased by an angry bull, and then you notice you're also
being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep
on running.

 

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:12:18 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <Xns9848A1F23750CIDTOKENnobodyIDTOKEN@24.24.2.167> ,
> Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> "Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?
>>
>> Gee, an auto service business overcharging/ripping off the customer?
>
> Go ahead. Put non-Honda transmission fluid or antifreeze in, see what
> happens.

As long as you use stuff that is to spec, it should be fine. There was
just a discussion about Honda's MTF, and replacing it with a comperable
Synthetic.

What is the difference with Honda Anti-Freeze? What do they use that is
different than everyone else?

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/25/2006 2:16:29 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

"(Tobacco) is the passion of honest men and he who lives without tobacco is
not worthy of living."

-Moliere (Jean Baptiste Poquelin)

 

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:12:18 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <Xns9848A1F23750CIDTOKENnobodyIDTOKEN@24.24.2.167> ,
> Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> "Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?
>>
>> Gee, an auto service business overcharging/ripping off the customer?
>
> Go ahead. Put non-Honda transmission fluid or antifreeze in, see what
> happens.

As long as you use stuff that is to spec, it should be fine. There was
just a discussion about Honda's MTF, and replacing it with a comperable
Synthetic.

What is the difference with Honda Anti-Freeze? What do they use that is
different than everyone else?

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/25/2006 2:16:29 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

"(Tobacco) is the passion of honest men and he who lives without tobacco is
not worthy of living."

-Moliere (Jean Baptiste Poquelin)

 

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:12:18 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> In article <Xns9848A1F23750CIDTOKENnobodyIDTOKEN@24.24.2.167> ,
> Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> "Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?
>>
>> Gee, an auto service business overcharging/ripping off the customer?
>
> Go ahead. Put non-Honda transmission fluid or antifreeze in, see what
> happens.

As long as you use stuff that is to spec, it should be fine. There was
just a discussion about Honda's MTF, and replacing it with a comperable
Synthetic.

What is the difference with Honda Anti-Freeze? What do they use that is
different than everyone else?

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/25/2006 2:16:29 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

"(Tobacco) is the passion of honest men and he who lives without tobacco is
not worthy of living."

-Moliere (Jean Baptiste Poquelin)

 

oakparker <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1k2dh2d7m5c7d5tkkdcem8rh02553gtb43@4ax.com:

> Interesting replys.
>
> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?


Because they make so many mistakes and are staffed by low-paid, poorly-
trained people. Sears and Firestone have the same reputation.


>
> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?
>
>
>



You are now supposed to use the Maintenance Minder" on the dashboard.

Read the section in your Owner's Manual that is called "Maintenance
Minder". It also gives some requirements in paragraph form.


--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

oakparker <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1k2dh2d7m5c7d5tkkdcem8rh02553gtb43@4ax.com:

> Interesting replys.
>
> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?


Because they make so many mistakes and are staffed by low-paid, poorly-
trained people. Sears and Firestone have the same reputation.


>
> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?
>
>
>



You are now supposed to use the Maintenance Minder" on the dashboard.

Read the section in your Owner's Manual that is called "Maintenance
Minder". It also gives some requirements in paragraph form.


--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/