2006 Civic Design Flaw
04-18-2006 | 10:26 PM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
Most cars I've owned do or did it.
"Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
> and take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere
> from 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
> window. What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is
> a loud oscillating wind buffeting sound.
> Now if you never intend to drive with the rear windows down forget the
> whole thing. Otherwise get some ear plugs...the noise will drive you nuts
> otherwise. Oh by the way my dealer had me try this with another Civic.
> Same noise. That's why I consider this a design flaw.
> So far I can not find any TSB's or recalls that pertain to this issue.
> Maybe Honda doesn't think it's a problem. Other than this I think the car
> is great.
>
> Rich K.
>
"Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09...
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
> and take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere
> from 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
> window. What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is
> a loud oscillating wind buffeting sound.
> Now if you never intend to drive with the rear windows down forget the
> whole thing. Otherwise get some ear plugs...the noise will drive you nuts
> otherwise. Oh by the way my dealer had me try this with another Civic.
> Same noise. That's why I consider this a design flaw.
> So far I can not find any TSB's or recalls that pertain to this issue.
> Maybe Honda doesn't think it's a problem. Other than this I think the car
> is great.
>
> Rich K.
>
04-18-2006 | 10:26 PM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
Most cars I've owned do or did it.
"Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09...
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
> and take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere
> from 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
> window. What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is
> a loud oscillating wind buffeting sound.
> Now if you never intend to drive with the rear windows down forget the
> whole thing. Otherwise get some ear plugs...the noise will drive you nuts
> otherwise. Oh by the way my dealer had me try this with another Civic.
> Same noise. That's why I consider this a design flaw.
> So far I can not find any TSB's or recalls that pertain to this issue.
> Maybe Honda doesn't think it's a problem. Other than this I think the car
> is great.
>
> Rich K.
>
"Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09...
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
> and take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere
> from 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
> window. What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is
> a loud oscillating wind buffeting sound.
> Now if you never intend to drive with the rear windows down forget the
> whole thing. Otherwise get some ear plugs...the noise will drive you nuts
> otherwise. Oh by the way my dealer had me try this with another Civic.
> Same noise. That's why I consider this a design flaw.
> So far I can not find any TSB's or recalls that pertain to this issue.
> Maybe Honda doesn't think it's a problem. Other than this I think the car
> is great.
>
> Rich K.
>
04-18-2006 | 10:26 PM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
Most cars I've owned do or did it.
"Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09...
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
> and take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere
> from 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
> window. What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is
> a loud oscillating wind buffeting sound.
> Now if you never intend to drive with the rear windows down forget the
> whole thing. Otherwise get some ear plugs...the noise will drive you nuts
> otherwise. Oh by the way my dealer had me try this with another Civic.
> Same noise. That's why I consider this a design flaw.
> So far I can not find any TSB's or recalls that pertain to this issue.
> Maybe Honda doesn't think it's a problem. Other than this I think the car
> is great.
>
> Rich K.
>
"Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09...
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
> and take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere
> from 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
> window. What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is
> a loud oscillating wind buffeting sound.
> Now if you never intend to drive with the rear windows down forget the
> whole thing. Otherwise get some ear plugs...the noise will drive you nuts
> otherwise. Oh by the way my dealer had me try this with another Civic.
> Same noise. That's why I consider this a design flaw.
> So far I can not find any TSB's or recalls that pertain to this issue.
> Maybe Honda doesn't think it's a problem. Other than this I think the car
> is great.
>
> Rich K.
>
04-19-2006 | 12:42 AM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
Richard Kuroski wrote:
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road and
> take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear window.
> What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a loud
> oscillating wind buffeting sound.
This is one of my pet peeves, and nearly every modern car does this with
one or more windows. I call it the Coke Bottle Effect, because it is
similar to what happens when you blow across the lip of a soda bottle.
It is a consequence of slippery aerodynamic design.
John
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road and
> take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear window.
> What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a loud
> oscillating wind buffeting sound.
This is one of my pet peeves, and nearly every modern car does this with
one or more windows. I call it the Coke Bottle Effect, because it is
similar to what happens when you blow across the lip of a soda bottle.
It is a consequence of slippery aerodynamic design.
John
04-19-2006 | 12:42 AM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
Richard Kuroski wrote:
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road and
> take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear window.
> What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a loud
> oscillating wind buffeting sound.
This is one of my pet peeves, and nearly every modern car does this with
one or more windows. I call it the Coke Bottle Effect, because it is
similar to what happens when you blow across the lip of a soda bottle.
It is a consequence of slippery aerodynamic design.
John
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road and
> take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear window.
> What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a loud
> oscillating wind buffeting sound.
This is one of my pet peeves, and nearly every modern car does this with
one or more windows. I call it the Coke Bottle Effect, because it is
similar to what happens when you blow across the lip of a soda bottle.
It is a consequence of slippery aerodynamic design.
John
04-19-2006 | 12:42 AM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
Richard Kuroski wrote:
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road and
> take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear window.
> What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a loud
> oscillating wind buffeting sound.
This is one of my pet peeves, and nearly every modern car does this with
one or more windows. I call it the Coke Bottle Effect, because it is
similar to what happens when you blow across the lip of a soda bottle.
It is a consequence of slippery aerodynamic design.
John
> OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road and
> take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear window.
> What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a loud
> oscillating wind buffeting sound.
This is one of my pet peeves, and nearly every modern car does this with
one or more windows. I call it the Coke Bottle Effect, because it is
similar to what happens when you blow across the lip of a soda bottle.
It is a consequence of slippery aerodynamic design.
John
04-19-2006 | 07:52 AM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
I had an '81 and '93 civic sedans that both did this. It used to drive me
nuts on road trips because the kids would always try to crank down the back
window just enough to maximize the oscillation.
Jon
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-BE559D.20264618042006@nntp2.usenetserver.com...
> In article <mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09>,
> "Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
and
> > take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> > 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
window.
> > What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a
loud
> > oscillating wind buffeting sound.
>
> This has been around for much, much longer than the new Civic.
>
> I had a 91 Civic wagon that did this.
>
> I've also had other, non-Honda cars do this.
>
> Never figured it out, either.
>
nuts on road trips because the kids would always try to crank down the back
window just enough to maximize the oscillation.
Jon
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-BE559D.20264618042006@nntp2.usenetserver.com...
> In article <mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09>,
> "Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
and
> > take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> > 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
window.
> > What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a
loud
> > oscillating wind buffeting sound.
>
> This has been around for much, much longer than the new Civic.
>
> I had a 91 Civic wagon that did this.
>
> I've also had other, non-Honda cars do this.
>
> Never figured it out, either.
>
04-19-2006 | 07:52 AM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
I had an '81 and '93 civic sedans that both did this. It used to drive me
nuts on road trips because the kids would always try to crank down the back
window just enough to maximize the oscillation.
Jon
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-BE559D.20264618042006@nntp2.usenetserver.com...
> In article <mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09>,
> "Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
and
> > take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> > 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
window.
> > What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a
loud
> > oscillating wind buffeting sound.
>
> This has been around for much, much longer than the new Civic.
>
> I had a 91 Civic wagon that did this.
>
> I've also had other, non-Honda cars do this.
>
> Never figured it out, either.
>
nuts on road trips because the kids would always try to crank down the back
window just enough to maximize the oscillation.
Jon
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-BE559D.20264618042006@nntp2.usenetserver.com...
> In article <mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09>,
> "Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
and
> > take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> > 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
window.
> > What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a
loud
> > oscillating wind buffeting sound.
>
> This has been around for much, much longer than the new Civic.
>
> I had a 91 Civic wagon that did this.
>
> I've also had other, non-Honda cars do this.
>
> Never figured it out, either.
>
04-19-2006 | 07:52 AM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
I had an '81 and '93 civic sedans that both did this. It used to drive me
nuts on road trips because the kids would always try to crank down the back
window just enough to maximize the oscillation.
Jon
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-BE559D.20264618042006@nntp2.usenetserver.com...
> In article <mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09>,
> "Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
and
> > take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> > 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
window.
> > What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a
loud
> > oscillating wind buffeting sound.
>
> This has been around for much, much longer than the new Civic.
>
> I had a 91 Civic wagon that did this.
>
> I've also had other, non-Honda cars do this.
>
> Never figured it out, either.
>
nuts on road trips because the kids would always try to crank down the back
window just enough to maximize the oscillation.
Jon
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-BE559D.20264618042006@nntp2.usenetserver.com...
> In article <mEe1g.5719$_w6.5141@trndny09>,
> "Richard Kuroski" <rlski@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > OK all you sedan drivers try this. Find a nice safe stretch of road
and
> > take your Civic up to around 30-35 mph. The engine can be anywhere from
> > 1500 to 2000 rpm. Now here's the "fun" part. Open the right rear
window.
> > What you should hear, if your experience is anything like mine, is a
loud
> > oscillating wind buffeting sound.
>
> This has been around for much, much longer than the new Civic.
>
> I had a 91 Civic wagon that did this.
>
> I've also had other, non-Honda cars do this.
>
> Never figured it out, either.
>
04-19-2006 | 08:57 AM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns97A9D9EC89C77tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:fK-dnU8jJtaHHNjZRVn-qw@sedona.net:
>> Most sedans and some coupes will do that (station wagons and
>> hatchbacks are much more resistant). It is called "aeolian
>> oscillation"
>
>
>
> Awww, you beat me to it! *I* wanted to use that term! It sounds so
> *scientific*!
>
Sorry about that. You could mention that the oscillation results from von
Karman vortex shedding.... I love that term!
Mike
news:Xns97A9D9EC89C77tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:fK-dnU8jJtaHHNjZRVn-qw@sedona.net:
>> Most sedans and some coupes will do that (station wagons and
>> hatchbacks are much more resistant). It is called "aeolian
>> oscillation"
>
>
>
> Awww, you beat me to it! *I* wanted to use that term! It sounds so
> *scientific*!
>
Sorry about that. You could mention that the oscillation results from von
Karman vortex shedding.... I love that term!
Mike
04-19-2006 | 08:57 AM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns97A9D9EC89C77tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:fK-dnU8jJtaHHNjZRVn-qw@sedona.net:
>> Most sedans and some coupes will do that (station wagons and
>> hatchbacks are much more resistant). It is called "aeolian
>> oscillation"
>
>
>
> Awww, you beat me to it! *I* wanted to use that term! It sounds so
> *scientific*!
>
Sorry about that. You could mention that the oscillation results from von
Karman vortex shedding.... I love that term!
Mike
news:Xns97A9D9EC89C77tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:fK-dnU8jJtaHHNjZRVn-qw@sedona.net:
>> Most sedans and some coupes will do that (station wagons and
>> hatchbacks are much more resistant). It is called "aeolian
>> oscillation"
>
>
>
> Awww, you beat me to it! *I* wanted to use that term! It sounds so
> *scientific*!
>
Sorry about that. You could mention that the oscillation results from von
Karman vortex shedding.... I love that term!
Mike
04-19-2006 | 08:57 AM
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Re: 2006 Civic Design Flaw
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns97A9D9EC89C77tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:fK-dnU8jJtaHHNjZRVn-qw@sedona.net:
>> Most sedans and some coupes will do that (station wagons and
>> hatchbacks are much more resistant). It is called "aeolian
>> oscillation"
>
>
>
> Awww, you beat me to it! *I* wanted to use that term! It sounds so
> *scientific*!
>
Sorry about that. You could mention that the oscillation results from von
Karman vortex shedding.... I love that term!
Mike
news:Xns97A9D9EC89C77tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
> news:fK-dnU8jJtaHHNjZRVn-qw@sedona.net:
>> Most sedans and some coupes will do that (station wagons and
>> hatchbacks are much more resistant). It is called "aeolian
>> oscillation"
>
>
>
> Awww, you beat me to it! *I* wanted to use that term! It sounds so
> *scientific*!
>
Sorry about that. You could mention that the oscillation results from von
Karman vortex shedding.... I love that term!
Mike