2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
09-14-2006 | 09:00 AM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> jim beam wrote:
> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on some
> 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these problems. Many
> other makers have had this issue from time to time as well.
>
I stopped having trouble with brake pulsation when I started using a torque
wrench on wheel lugs. Of course, that doesn't mean *all* pulsation comes
from overtorquing.
Mike
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> jim beam wrote:
> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on some
> 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these problems. Many
> other makers have had this issue from time to time as well.
>
I stopped having trouble with brake pulsation when I started using a torque
wrench on wheel lugs. Of course, that doesn't mean *all* pulsation comes
from overtorquing.
Mike
09-14-2006 | 11:08 AM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
John Horner wrote:
> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on some
> 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these problems.
> Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as well.
>
> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
> potato chip.
>
> John
-------------------------------------------
I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
when you got there . . .
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
'Curly'
> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on some
> 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these problems.
> Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as well.
>
> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
> potato chip.
>
> John
-------------------------------------------
I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
when you got there . . .
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
'Curly'
09-14-2006 | 11:08 AM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
John Horner wrote:
> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on some
> 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these problems.
> Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as well.
>
> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
> potato chip.
>
> John
-------------------------------------------
I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
when you got there . . .
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
'Curly'
> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on some
> 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these problems.
> Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as well.
>
> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
> potato chip.
>
> John
-------------------------------------------
I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
when you got there . . .
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
'Curly'
09-14-2006 | 11:08 AM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
John Horner wrote:
> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on some
> 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these problems.
> Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as well.
>
> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
> potato chip.
>
> John
-------------------------------------------
I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
when you got there . . .
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
'Curly'
> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on some
> 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these problems.
> Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as well.
>
> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
> potato chip.
>
> John
-------------------------------------------
I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
when you got there . . .
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
'Curly'
09-14-2006 | 02:28 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
jim beam wrote:
>>
>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>> well.
>>
>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
>> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
>> potato chip.
>>
>> John
>>
> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i drove
> it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs. re-torqued
> the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is not a
> thickness variation.
Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
John
>>
>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>> well.
>>
>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
>> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
>> potato chip.
>>
>> John
>>
> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i drove
> it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs. re-torqued
> the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is not a
> thickness variation.
Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
John
09-14-2006 | 02:28 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
jim beam wrote:
>>
>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>> well.
>>
>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
>> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
>> potato chip.
>>
>> John
>>
> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i drove
> it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs. re-torqued
> the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is not a
> thickness variation.
Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
John
>>
>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>> well.
>>
>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
>> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
>> potato chip.
>>
>> John
>>
> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i drove
> it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs. re-torqued
> the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is not a
> thickness variation.
Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
John
09-14-2006 | 02:28 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
jim beam wrote:
>>
>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>> well.
>>
>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
>> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
>> potato chip.
>>
>> John
>>
> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i drove
> it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs. re-torqued
> the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is not a
> thickness variation.
Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
John
>>
>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>> well.
>>
>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake rotor
>> has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping like a
>> potato chip.
>>
>> John
>>
> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i drove
> it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs. re-torqued
> the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is not a
> thickness variation.
Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
John
09-14-2006 | 11:23 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
John Horner wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake
>>> rotor has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping
>>> like a potato chip.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
>> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i
>> drove it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs.
>> re-torqued the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is
>> not a thickness variation.
>
> Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
> not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
>
> John
agreed.
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake
>>> rotor has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping
>>> like a potato chip.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
>> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i
>> drove it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs.
>> re-torqued the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is
>> not a thickness variation.
>
> Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
> not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
>
> John
agreed.
09-14-2006 | 11:23 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
John Horner wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake
>>> rotor has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping
>>> like a potato chip.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
>> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i
>> drove it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs.
>> re-torqued the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is
>> not a thickness variation.
>
> Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
> not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
>
> John
agreed.
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake
>>> rotor has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping
>>> like a potato chip.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
>> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i
>> drove it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs.
>> re-torqued the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is
>> not a thickness variation.
>
> Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
> not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
>
> John
agreed.
09-14-2006 | 11:23 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
John Horner wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake
>>> rotor has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping
>>> like a potato chip.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
>> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i
>> drove it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs.
>> re-torqued the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is
>> not a thickness variation.
>
> Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
> not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
>
> John
agreed.
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It is almost an urban legend now to blame all brake rotor vibration
>>> problems on mis-torquing. In fact, Honda changed pad materials on
>>> some 2003 models and issued a service bulletin to address these
>>> problems. Many other makers have had this issue from time to time as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Contrary to popular opinion, the trouble is often that the brake
>>> rotor has developed a thickness variation rather than simply warping
>>> like a potato chip.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> well, my experience is that i brought a civic home from a brake
>> inspection with rotors that were so warped, it was ridiculous. i
>> drove it there, brakes were fine, drove it home, brakes were pigs.
>> re-torqued the wheels as described, brakes were fine again. /that/ is
>> not a thickness variation.
>
> Improper torquing can indeed cause this problem, my only point is that
> not all brake problems are due to poor wheel tightening procedures.
>
> John
agreed.
09-18-2006 | 11:14 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:08:07 -0600, "'Curly Q. Links'"
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
>the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
>explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
>when you got there . . .
>
>http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
I'm very familiar with this information and have first hand experience
with the deposit issues. I also know about torque issues.
But my question really was whether or not CRV's suffer from a known
issue/defect in this area (lots of them have brake problems such as
this) or it's a mechanical issue specific to this car.
Thanks,
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
>the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
>explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
>when you got there . . .
>
>http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
I'm very familiar with this information and have first hand experience
with the deposit issues. I also know about torque issues.
But my question really was whether or not CRV's suffer from a known
issue/defect in this area (lots of them have brake problems such as
this) or it's a mechanical issue specific to this car.
Thanks,
09-18-2006 | 11:14 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:08:07 -0600, "'Curly Q. Links'"
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
>the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
>explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
>when you got there . . .
>
>http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
I'm very familiar with this information and have first hand experience
with the deposit issues. I also know about torque issues.
But my question really was whether or not CRV's suffer from a known
issue/defect in this area (lots of them have brake problems such as
this) or it's a mechanical issue specific to this car.
Thanks,
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
>the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
>explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
>when you got there . . .
>
>http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
I'm very familiar with this information and have first hand experience
with the deposit issues. I also know about torque issues.
But my question really was whether or not CRV's suffer from a known
issue/defect in this area (lots of them have brake problems such as
this) or it's a mechanical issue specific to this car.
Thanks,
09-18-2006 | 11:14 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:08:07 -0600, "'Curly Q. Links'"
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
>the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
>explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
>when you got there . . .
>
>http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
I'm very familiar with this information and have first hand experience
with the deposit issues. I also know about torque issues.
But my question really was whether or not CRV's suffer from a known
issue/defect in this area (lots of them have brake problems such as
this) or it's a mechanical issue specific to this car.
Thanks,
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>I think I'm changing my mind about 'warping'. I read this (long) article
>the other day that seems to confirm what you're saying, John. It also
>explains how you could 'drive home' and have (apparently) warped rotors
>when you got there . . .
>
>http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakedisk.shtml
I'm very familiar with this information and have first hand experience
with the deposit issues. I also know about torque issues.
But my question really was whether or not CRV's suffer from a known
issue/defect in this area (lots of them have brake problems such as
this) or it's a mechanical issue specific to this car.
Thanks,
09-18-2006 | 11:37 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:02:01 -0600, "'Curly Q. Links'"
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>If they are wearing worse on one side than the other, the sliders are
>not properly lubed (from new).
>
>Sign in search. Lots of good stuff already covered.
>
>http://www.hondasuv.com/stg/viewtopi...t=rotor+warped
>
>Tegger.com also has good materials about this problem.
>
>'Curly'
Thanks Curly, will check for the slider lube.
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>If they are wearing worse on one side than the other, the sliders are
>not properly lubed (from new).
>
>Sign in search. Lots of good stuff already covered.
>
>http://www.hondasuv.com/stg/viewtopi...t=rotor+warped
>
>Tegger.com also has good materials about this problem.
>
>'Curly'
Thanks Curly, will check for the slider lube.
09-18-2006 | 11:37 PM
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Re: 2005 CRV brakes - wear/warping issues ?
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:02:01 -0600, "'Curly Q. Links'"
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>If they are wearing worse on one side than the other, the sliders are
>not properly lubed (from new).
>
>Sign in search. Lots of good stuff already covered.
>
>http://www.hondasuv.com/stg/viewtopi...t=rotor+warped
>
>Tegger.com also has good materials about this problem.
>
>'Curly'
Thanks Curly, will check for the slider lube.
<motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote:
>If they are wearing worse on one side than the other, the sliders are
>not properly lubed (from new).
>
>Sign in search. Lots of good stuff already covered.
>
>http://www.hondasuv.com/stg/viewtopi...t=rotor+warped
>
>Tegger.com also has good materials about this problem.
>
>'Curly'
Thanks Curly, will check for the slider lube.