On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:32:29 -0500, John wrote:

> The car has 27K miles on it.
>
> I checked tire pressure - it is right where it suppose to be.
>
> The reason why I think it's not cold weather and/or a change in fuel "ingredients" is that as I said, I have the car since November 2004 and I drove it since then during two winters, two summers, exact same roads and driving conditions....I mean literally nothing has changed.
> Also, this behavior started as I mentioned in the beginning of December and we had an unusual mild December here in New England, so I don't think it is weather related (even if it was unusually cold, I went through two previous very cold winters).
>
> Is it possible that something is partially not functioning (like a semi-blocked valve or filter) in a way that it will not trigger the check-engine light?
>
> I think I'm gonna have to take it to service...hoping they find something.
>

It would be unusual, but certainly possible. If you are unsatisfied with
any of the other possibilities, then yes, taking it in for service is
probably the best answer.

 

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:32:29 -0500, John wrote:

> The car has 27K miles on it.
>
> I checked tire pressure - it is right where it suppose to be.
>
> The reason why I think it's not cold weather and/or a change in fuel "ingredients" is that as I said, I have the car since November 2004 and I drove it since then during two winters, two summers, exact same roads and driving conditions....I mean literally nothing has changed.
> Also, this behavior started as I mentioned in the beginning of December and we had an unusual mild December here in New England, so I don't think it is weather related (even if it was unusually cold, I went through two previous very cold winters).
>
> Is it possible that something is partially not functioning (like a semi-blocked valve or filter) in a way that it will not trigger the check-engine light?
>
> I think I'm gonna have to take it to service...hoping they find something.
>

It would be unusual, but certainly possible. If you are unsatisfied with
any of the other possibilities, then yes, taking it in for service is
probably the best answer.

 

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:32:29 -0500, John wrote:

> The car has 27K miles on it.
>
> I checked tire pressure - it is right where it suppose to be.
>
> The reason why I think it's not cold weather and/or a change in fuel "ingredients" is that as I said, I have the car since November 2004 and I drove it since then during two winters, two summers, exact same roads and driving conditions....I mean literally nothing has changed.
> Also, this behavior started as I mentioned in the beginning of December and we had an unusual mild December here in New England, so I don't think it is weather related (even if it was unusually cold, I went through two previous very cold winters).
>
> Is it possible that something is partially not functioning (like a semi-blocked valve or filter) in a way that it will not trigger the check-engine light?
>
> I think I'm gonna have to take it to service...hoping they find something.
>

It would be unusual, but certainly possible. If you are unsatisfied with
any of the other possibilities, then yes, taking it in for service is
probably the best answer.

 

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:32:29 -0500, John wrote:

> The car has 27K miles on it.
>
> I checked tire pressure - it is right where it suppose to be.
>
> The reason why I think it's not cold weather and/or a change in fuel "ingredients" is that as I said, I have the car since November 2004 and I drove it since then during two winters, two summers, exact same roads and driving conditions....I mean literally nothing has changed.
> Also, this behavior started as I mentioned in the beginning of December and we had an unusual mild December here in New England, so I don't think it is weather related (even if it was unusually cold, I went through two previous very cold winters).
>
> Is it possible that something is partially not functioning (like a semi-blocked valve or filter) in a way that it will not trigger the check-engine light?
>
> I think I'm gonna have to take it to service...hoping they find something.
>

It would be unusual, but certainly possible. If you are unsatisfied with
any of the other possibilities, then yes, taking it in for service is
probably the best answer.

 

In article <P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net>,
"John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from my home
> to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
> At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably have,
> and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased and I am
> constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my 'allowance'.
> Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you I didn't.
>
> Is this possible?

Yes. As your tires wear and change diameter/circumference, your
odometer readings will change.

 

In article <P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net>,
"John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from my home
> to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
> At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably have,
> and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased and I am
> constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my 'allowance'.
> Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you I didn't.
>
> Is this possible?

Yes. As your tires wear and change diameter/circumference, your
odometer readings will change.

 

In article <P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net>,
"John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from my home
> to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
> At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably have,
> and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased and I am
> constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my 'allowance'.
> Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you I didn't.
>
> Is this possible?

Yes. As your tires wear and change diameter/circumference, your
odometer readings will change.

 

In article <P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net>,
"John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from my home
> to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
> At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably have,
> and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased and I am
> constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my 'allowance'.
> Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you I didn't.
>
> Is this possible?

Yes. As your tires wear and change diameter/circumference, your
odometer readings will change.

 

"John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net...
Do you want to hear even more? You may call me crazy, but I swear it's true.

All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from my
home to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably have,
and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased and I am
constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my 'allowance'.
Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you I didn't.

Is this possible?

================================================== ==================
Possible that you drank something? Oh! I get it ;-)

Yes, I think it's possible. My thought is electrical trouble, but not
necessarily easy to find electrical trouble. It could be as direct as a
deranged Vehicle Speed Sensor or as off-the-wall as noise on the 12 volt
supply to the instrument panel. I don't encourage you to wrap a whole lot of
time up in this idea, but a check for AC voltage across the battery or
voltage between the engine block and body (both tests with the engine
running) would be worthwhile.

If this is odometer foolishness is indeed related to the sudden drop in mpg,
it is a lot easier to get the service shop to take it seriously - it is
easier to identify and they will know when it is fixed. Really! The trick is
to find a preferably known distance and drive it while recording the trip
and standard odometer readings.

Mike

 

"John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net...
Do you want to hear even more? You may call me crazy, but I swear it's true.

All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from my
home to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably have,
and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased and I am
constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my 'allowance'.
Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you I didn't.

Is this possible?

================================================== ==================
Possible that you drank something? Oh! I get it ;-)

Yes, I think it's possible. My thought is electrical trouble, but not
necessarily easy to find electrical trouble. It could be as direct as a
deranged Vehicle Speed Sensor or as off-the-wall as noise on the 12 volt
supply to the instrument panel. I don't encourage you to wrap a whole lot of
time up in this idea, but a check for AC voltage across the battery or
voltage between the engine block and body (both tests with the engine
running) would be worthwhile.

If this is odometer foolishness is indeed related to the sudden drop in mpg,
it is a lot easier to get the service shop to take it seriously - it is
easier to identify and they will know when it is fixed. Really! The trick is
to find a preferably known distance and drive it while recording the trip
and standard odometer readings.

Mike

 

"John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net...
Do you want to hear even more? You may call me crazy, but I swear it's true.

All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from my
home to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably have,
and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased and I am
constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my 'allowance'.
Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you I didn't.

Is this possible?

================================================== ==================
Possible that you drank something? Oh! I get it ;-)

Yes, I think it's possible. My thought is electrical trouble, but not
necessarily easy to find electrical trouble. It could be as direct as a
deranged Vehicle Speed Sensor or as off-the-wall as noise on the 12 volt
supply to the instrument panel. I don't encourage you to wrap a whole lot of
time up in this idea, but a check for AC voltage across the battery or
voltage between the engine block and body (both tests with the engine
running) would be worthwhile.

If this is odometer foolishness is indeed related to the sudden drop in mpg,
it is a lot easier to get the service shop to take it seriously - it is
easier to identify and they will know when it is fixed. Really! The trick is
to find a preferably known distance and drive it while recording the trip
and standard odometer readings.

Mike

 

"John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net...
Do you want to hear even more? You may call me crazy, but I swear it's true.

All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from my
home to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably have,
and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased and I am
constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my 'allowance'.
Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you I didn't.

Is this possible?

================================================== ==================
Possible that you drank something? Oh! I get it ;-)

Yes, I think it's possible. My thought is electrical trouble, but not
necessarily easy to find electrical trouble. It could be as direct as a
deranged Vehicle Speed Sensor or as off-the-wall as noise on the 12 volt
supply to the instrument panel. I don't encourage you to wrap a whole lot of
time up in this idea, but a check for AC voltage across the battery or
voltage between the engine block and body (both tests with the engine
running) would be worthwhile.

If this is odometer foolishness is indeed related to the sudden drop in mpg,
it is a lot easier to get the service shop to take it seriously - it is
easier to identify and they will know when it is fixed. Really! The trick is
to find a preferably known distance and drive it while recording the trip
and standard odometer readings.

Mike

 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:ssmdnR4vxPRbTSLYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@sedona.net:

> "John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net...
> Do you want to hear even more? You may call me crazy, but I swear it's
> true.
>
> All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from
> my home to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
> At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably
> have,

This is inconsistent.The figures you give means a +6.6% error in mileage
for the trip meter,and then the odometer has an OPPOSITE error?
That doesn't seem right.Shouldn't they both have similar errors?

> and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased
> and I am constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my
> 'allowance'. Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you
> I didn't.
>
> Is this possible?
>
>================================================= ===================
> Possible that you drank something? Oh! I get it ;-)
>
> Yes, I think it's possible. My thought is electrical trouble, but not
> necessarily easy to find electrical trouble. It could be as direct as
> a deranged Vehicle Speed Sensor or as off-the-wall as noise on the 12
> volt supply to the instrument panel. I don't encourage you to wrap a
> whole lot of time up in this idea, but a check for AC voltage across
> the battery or voltage between the engine block and body (both tests
> with the engine running) would be worthwhile.
>
> If this is odometer foolishness is indeed related to the sudden drop
> in mpg, it is a lot easier to get the service shop to take it
> seriously - it is easier to identify and they will know when it is
> fixed. Really! The trick is to find a preferably known distance and
> drive it while recording the trip and standard odometer readings.
>
> Mike
>
>
>

IIRC,I just read something today on rec.autos.driving about Honda having
some sort of problem with odometers accumulating more miles than actually
driven,thus effectively shortening the warranty,so Honda was going to add
5% to the warranty mileage limit on the cars.

although this sort of problem would increase MPG instead of reducing it.
(6.6% farther distance on a gallon of gas,if he uses the TRIP meter and not
the odometer for the miles travelled.)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:ssmdnR4vxPRbTSLYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@sedona.net:

> "John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net...
> Do you want to hear even more? You may call me crazy, but I swear it's
> true.
>
> All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from
> my home to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
> At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably
> have,

This is inconsistent.The figures you give means a +6.6% error in mileage
for the trip meter,and then the odometer has an OPPOSITE error?
That doesn't seem right.Shouldn't they both have similar errors?

> and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased
> and I am constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my
> 'allowance'. Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you
> I didn't.
>
> Is this possible?
>
>================================================= ===================
> Possible that you drank something? Oh! I get it ;-)
>
> Yes, I think it's possible. My thought is electrical trouble, but not
> necessarily easy to find electrical trouble. It could be as direct as
> a deranged Vehicle Speed Sensor or as off-the-wall as noise on the 12
> volt supply to the instrument panel. I don't encourage you to wrap a
> whole lot of time up in this idea, but a check for AC voltage across
> the battery or voltage between the engine block and body (both tests
> with the engine running) would be worthwhile.
>
> If this is odometer foolishness is indeed related to the sudden drop
> in mpg, it is a lot easier to get the service shop to take it
> seriously - it is easier to identify and they will know when it is
> fixed. Really! The trick is to find a preferably known distance and
> drive it while recording the trip and standard odometer readings.
>
> Mike
>
>
>

IIRC,I just read something today on rec.autos.driving about Honda having
some sort of problem with odometers accumulating more miles than actually
driven,thus effectively shortening the warranty,so Honda was going to add
5% to the warranty mileage limit on the cars.

although this sort of problem would increase MPG instead of reducing it.
(6.6% farther distance on a gallon of gas,if he uses the TRIP meter and not
the odometer for the miles travelled.)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:ssmdnR4vxPRbTSLYnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@sedona.net:

> "John" <sbnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:P6CdnZkKPKBgySLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net...
> Do you want to hear even more? You may call me crazy, but I swear it's
> true.
>
> All of a sudden, the Trip meter (Trip A) shows that the distance from
> my home to my office is 16 miles, when it was always only 15 miles....
> At the same time, the odometer shows less miles that I should probably
> have,

This is inconsistent.The figures you give means a +6.6% error in mileage
for the trip meter,and then the odometer has an OPPOSITE error?
That doesn't seem right.Shouldn't they both have similar errors?

> and I am keeping a good look at that because my car is leased
> and I am constantly monitoring this so that I won't exceed my
> 'allowance'. Again, you may think I drank something, I am telling you
> I didn't.
>
> Is this possible?
>
>================================================= ===================
> Possible that you drank something? Oh! I get it ;-)
>
> Yes, I think it's possible. My thought is electrical trouble, but not
> necessarily easy to find electrical trouble. It could be as direct as
> a deranged Vehicle Speed Sensor or as off-the-wall as noise on the 12
> volt supply to the instrument panel. I don't encourage you to wrap a
> whole lot of time up in this idea, but a check for AC voltage across
> the battery or voltage between the engine block and body (both tests
> with the engine running) would be worthwhile.
>
> If this is odometer foolishness is indeed related to the sudden drop
> in mpg, it is a lot easier to get the service shop to take it
> seriously - it is easier to identify and they will know when it is
> fixed. Really! The trick is to find a preferably known distance and
> drive it while recording the trip and standard odometer readings.
>
> Mike
>
>
>

IIRC,I just read something today on rec.autos.driving about Honda having
some sort of problem with odometers accumulating more miles than actually
driven,thus effectively shortening the warranty,so Honda was going to add
5% to the warranty mileage limit on the cars.

although this sort of problem would increase MPG instead of reducing it.
(6.6% farther distance on a gallon of gas,if he uses the TRIP meter and not
the odometer for the miles travelled.)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net