On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:40:41 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>In article <8eqvi05e5jc5oen5tbhuomvc9q6h50kqeo@4ax.com>,
>kiselink@mindspring.com wrote:
>> Per Haynes: "Engine stumbles on accelleration":
>> spark plugs fouled
>> Fuel Injection System faulty
>> Fue filter clogged
>> Incorrect ignitiion timing
>> intake manifold air leak
>>
>> Didn't see any diagnostic guide in the factory service manual.
>
>I should have mentioned that I got the information in my post the same
>place where you got the same information in your post.

It should be mentioned that the OP did *not* describe an Engine which
Stumbles upon Acceleration...

 

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:40:41 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>In article <8eqvi05e5jc5oen5tbhuomvc9q6h50kqeo@4ax.com>,
>kiselink@mindspring.com wrote:
>> Per Haynes: "Engine stumbles on accelleration":
>> spark plugs fouled
>> Fuel Injection System faulty
>> Fue filter clogged
>> Incorrect ignitiion timing
>> intake manifold air leak
>>
>> Didn't see any diagnostic guide in the factory service manual.
>
>I should have mentioned that I got the information in my post the same
>place where you got the same information in your post.

It should be mentioned that the OP did *not* describe an Engine which
Stumbles upon Acceleration...

 

In article <5962j09969310f90htnt4m1pj3g0vqeamm@4ax.com>,
tifosoREM@OVEmindspring.com wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:40:41 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >In article <8eqvi05e5jc5oen5tbhuomvc9q6h50kqeo@4ax.com>,
> >kiselink@mindspring.com wrote:
> >> Per Haynes: "Engine stumbles on accelleration":
> >> spark plugs fouled
> >> Fuel Injection System faulty
> >> Fue filter clogged
> >> Incorrect ignitiion timing
> >> intake manifold air leak
> >>
> >> Didn't see any diagnostic guide in the factory service manual.
> >
> >I should have mentioned that I got the information in my post the same
> >place where you got the same information in your post.
>
> It should be mentioned that the OP did *not* describe an Engine which
> Stumbles upon Acceleration...

What is your solution for the problem? As most any mechanic will tell you,
the same factors that cause an engine to "stumble upon acceleration" can
also cause an engine to "hesitate". Obviously, just as doctors disagree on
solutions to a medical problem, I'm sure that mechanics disagree on
solutions to an engine related problem. It's a lot easier to criticize
those that provide advice than it is to provide advice.

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In article <5962j09969310f90htnt4m1pj3g0vqeamm@4ax.com>,
tifosoREM@OVEmindspring.com wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:40:41 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >In article <8eqvi05e5jc5oen5tbhuomvc9q6h50kqeo@4ax.com>,
> >kiselink@mindspring.com wrote:
> >> Per Haynes: "Engine stumbles on accelleration":
> >> spark plugs fouled
> >> Fuel Injection System faulty
> >> Fue filter clogged
> >> Incorrect ignitiion timing
> >> intake manifold air leak
> >>
> >> Didn't see any diagnostic guide in the factory service manual.
> >
> >I should have mentioned that I got the information in my post the same
> >place where you got the same information in your post.
>
> It should be mentioned that the OP did *not* describe an Engine which
> Stumbles upon Acceleration...

What is your solution for the problem? As most any mechanic will tell you,
the same factors that cause an engine to "stumble upon acceleration" can
also cause an engine to "hesitate". Obviously, just as doctors disagree on
solutions to a medical problem, I'm sure that mechanics disagree on
solutions to an engine related problem. It's a lot easier to criticize
those that provide advice than it is to provide advice.

--
NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO
We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice.
We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.

 

I interpret hestation as the same as stumbling. Is there a
difference?

Haynes does not quantify the condition. Do they mean "just at start
up", "always", "internmintent". etc.

I am not an expert but if any of that stuff hasn't been done as per
maintenance schedule - it seems like unwasted money to bring the auto
into a "known" state.

Reminds me of my sister wanting me to help her fix her PC when she
wasnt willing to purchase a anti virus program and a virus checker
(not fixer) had determined there was 32 viruss resident in her
system.

 

I interpret hestation as the same as stumbling. Is there a
difference?

Haynes does not quantify the condition. Do they mean "just at start
up", "always", "internmintent". etc.

I am not an expert but if any of that stuff hasn't been done as per
maintenance schedule - it seems like unwasted money to bring the auto
into a "known" state.

Reminds me of my sister wanting me to help her fix her PC when she
wasnt willing to purchase a anti virus program and a virus checker
(not fixer) had determined there was 32 viruss resident in her
system.

 

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:20:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>In article <5962j09969310f90htnt4m1pj3g0vqeamm@4ax.com>,
>tifosoREM@OVEmindspring.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:40:41 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> >In article <8eqvi05e5jc5oen5tbhuomvc9q6h50kqeo@4ax.com>,
>> >kiselink@mindspring.com wrote:
>> >> Per Haynes: "Engine stumbles on accelleration":
>> >> spark plugs fouled
>> >> Fuel Injection System faulty
>> >> Fue filter clogged
>> >> Incorrect ignitiion timing
>> >> intake manifold air leak
>> >>
>> >> Didn't see any diagnostic guide in the factory service manual.
>> >
>> >I should have mentioned that I got the information in my post the same
>> >place where you got the same information in your post.
>>
>> It should be mentioned that the OP did *not* describe an Engine which
>> Stumbles upon Acceleration...
>
>What is your solution for the problem?

It happens once per start cycle, in a known state, and only when cool.

Sounds to me like a position or temperature or O2 senor, or some other
such ECM input device is failing, in a way that subtly interrupts the
smooth transition from open to closed state operation.

>As most any mechanic will tell you,
>the same factors that cause an engine to "stumble upon acceleration" can
>also cause an engine to "hesitate". Obviously, just as doctors disagree on
>solutions to a medical problem, I'm sure that mechanics disagree on
>solutions to an engine related problem.

There is an INCREDIBLY simple solution which obviates such shade tree
pickle barrel conjecture: OBD-II.

This machine is controlled by several digital computers and an
intricate web of sensory input devices. The correct way to diagnose
which systems and device is faulty is NOT to easter egg through a
laundry list of outdated shad tree voodoo machinations, but for a
trained operator to hook it up to an OBD-II interpreter.

Trained OBD-II operators can be found at any licensed repair station.

>It's a lot easier to criticize
>those that provide advice than it is to provide advice.

It's seems even easier to dispense worthless and/or misleading advice,
rather than to think rationally.

 

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:20:22 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>In article <5962j09969310f90htnt4m1pj3g0vqeamm@4ax.com>,
>tifosoREM@OVEmindspring.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:40:41 -0700, Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> >In article <8eqvi05e5jc5oen5tbhuomvc9q6h50kqeo@4ax.com>,
>> >kiselink@mindspring.com wrote:
>> >> Per Haynes: "Engine stumbles on accelleration":
>> >> spark plugs fouled
>> >> Fuel Injection System faulty
>> >> Fue filter clogged
>> >> Incorrect ignitiion timing
>> >> intake manifold air leak
>> >>
>> >> Didn't see any diagnostic guide in the factory service manual.
>> >
>> >I should have mentioned that I got the information in my post the same
>> >place where you got the same information in your post.
>>
>> It should be mentioned that the OP did *not* describe an Engine which
>> Stumbles upon Acceleration...
>
>What is your solution for the problem?

It happens once per start cycle, in a known state, and only when cool.

Sounds to me like a position or temperature or O2 senor, or some other
such ECM input device is failing, in a way that subtly interrupts the
smooth transition from open to closed state operation.

>As most any mechanic will tell you,
>the same factors that cause an engine to "stumble upon acceleration" can
>also cause an engine to "hesitate". Obviously, just as doctors disagree on
>solutions to a medical problem, I'm sure that mechanics disagree on
>solutions to an engine related problem.

There is an INCREDIBLY simple solution which obviates such shade tree
pickle barrel conjecture: OBD-II.

This machine is controlled by several digital computers and an
intricate web of sensory input devices. The correct way to diagnose
which systems and device is faulty is NOT to easter egg through a
laundry list of outdated shad tree voodoo machinations, but for a
trained operator to hook it up to an OBD-II interpreter.

Trained OBD-II operators can be found at any licensed repair station.

>It's a lot easier to criticize
>those that provide advice than it is to provide advice.

It's seems even easier to dispense worthless and/or misleading advice,
rather than to think rationally.

 

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:54:19 -0400, kiselink@mindspring.com wrote:
>I interpret hestation as the same as stumbling. Is there a
>difference?

Stumbling on acceleration means every time one presses the accelerator
pedal the engine misses as it runs up, the OP described a condition
where, once per start cycle and only when cold, his car seems to
hesitate, momentarily loses power, without regard to accelerative
state.

>Haynes does not quantify the condition. Do they mean "just at start
>up", "always", "internmintent". etc.

....Hence Haynes is neither a comprehensive nor exhaustive resource.

>I am not an expert but if any of that stuff hasn't been done as per
>maintenance schedule - it seems like unwasted money to bring the auto
>into a "known" state.
>
>Reminds me of my sister wanting me to help her fix her PC when she
>wasnt willing to purchase a anti virus program and a virus checker
>(not fixer) had determined there was 32 viruss resident in her
>system.

Did you start replacing the component parts of her computer
*****-nilly *before* properly analysing her system and its faults?

Would blindly replacing the floppy drive, simply because it was the
easiest thing to do, ever have been the proper course of action?

....That exactly is what is being recommended here, by some.

 

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:54:19 -0400, kiselink@mindspring.com wrote:
>I interpret hestation as the same as stumbling. Is there a
>difference?

Stumbling on acceleration means every time one presses the accelerator
pedal the engine misses as it runs up, the OP described a condition
where, once per start cycle and only when cold, his car seems to
hesitate, momentarily loses power, without regard to accelerative
state.

>Haynes does not quantify the condition. Do they mean "just at start
>up", "always", "internmintent". etc.

....Hence Haynes is neither a comprehensive nor exhaustive resource.

>I am not an expert but if any of that stuff hasn't been done as per
>maintenance schedule - it seems like unwasted money to bring the auto
>into a "known" state.
>
>Reminds me of my sister wanting me to help her fix her PC when she
>wasnt willing to purchase a anti virus program and a virus checker
>(not fixer) had determined there was 32 viruss resident in her
>system.

Did you start replacing the component parts of her computer
*****-nilly *before* properly analysing her system and its faults?

Would blindly replacing the floppy drive, simply because it was the
easiest thing to do, ever have been the proper course of action?

....That exactly is what is being recommended here, by some.