1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
07-12-2006 | 12:18 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
Update: I brought the car in and pointed out the issues you guys
brought up. It did turn out to be that the timing belt had, in fact,
jumped one tooth. However, they insisted that it was purely a
coincidence and the valve adjustment had nothing to do with it. I asked
why would it jump immediately the day after the valve service. He
replied although there is only 65k on the timing belt, that because it
has been over 6 years since it was replaced that the timing belt
probably is due and a little worn and that could've cause it to jump. I
told him I didn't agree with that scenario, but he wouldn't concede.
Seeing that was going nowhere, I then asked assuming that is was a
coincedence why didn't they notice that before the last two times I was
in with this problem? He replied that they did check the timing and it
was just a little off -- but still within the normal range. I then
asked to talk to the service manager who just happened to be out of the
office.
When I talk to the service manager what "proof" can I show him that the
valve adjustment could have caused the timing belt to jump a tooth? I'm
not a mechanic by any means, so I just can't say "because I saw it in
an online newsgroup." Is there something official from Honda or Acura
that I can find online?
Anyway, the car runs great now. No more rough idle at all. I haven't
gone through a tank of gas yet, but I'm pretty positive that will be
better, too.
arock wrote:
> I have a 1994 Acura Integra LS automatic with 165k miles. I had a valve
> adjustment done on the car. Immediately after the work was done and
> since that time the car has had poor gas mileage, a very rough idle,
> and loss of power. I had abolutely none of those problems before the
> adjustment. Before I take it back into the shop I would like to know if
> a bad valve adjustment could be the source of these problems and how it
> should be remedied. Also, are there any long-term risks associated with
> a bad valve adjustment?
brought up. It did turn out to be that the timing belt had, in fact,
jumped one tooth. However, they insisted that it was purely a
coincidence and the valve adjustment had nothing to do with it. I asked
why would it jump immediately the day after the valve service. He
replied although there is only 65k on the timing belt, that because it
has been over 6 years since it was replaced that the timing belt
probably is due and a little worn and that could've cause it to jump. I
told him I didn't agree with that scenario, but he wouldn't concede.
Seeing that was going nowhere, I then asked assuming that is was a
coincedence why didn't they notice that before the last two times I was
in with this problem? He replied that they did check the timing and it
was just a little off -- but still within the normal range. I then
asked to talk to the service manager who just happened to be out of the
office.
When I talk to the service manager what "proof" can I show him that the
valve adjustment could have caused the timing belt to jump a tooth? I'm
not a mechanic by any means, so I just can't say "because I saw it in
an online newsgroup." Is there something official from Honda or Acura
that I can find online?
Anyway, the car runs great now. No more rough idle at all. I haven't
gone through a tank of gas yet, but I'm pretty positive that will be
better, too.
arock wrote:
> I have a 1994 Acura Integra LS automatic with 165k miles. I had a valve
> adjustment done on the car. Immediately after the work was done and
> since that time the car has had poor gas mileage, a very rough idle,
> and loss of power. I had abolutely none of those problems before the
> adjustment. Before I take it back into the shop I would like to know if
> a bad valve adjustment could be the source of these problems and how it
> should be remedied. Also, are there any long-term risks associated with
> a bad valve adjustment?
07-12-2006 | 12:18 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
Update: I brought the car in and pointed out the issues you guys
brought up. It did turn out to be that the timing belt had, in fact,
jumped one tooth. However, they insisted that it was purely a
coincidence and the valve adjustment had nothing to do with it. I asked
why would it jump immediately the day after the valve service. He
replied although there is only 65k on the timing belt, that because it
has been over 6 years since it was replaced that the timing belt
probably is due and a little worn and that could've cause it to jump. I
told him I didn't agree with that scenario, but he wouldn't concede.
Seeing that was going nowhere, I then asked assuming that is was a
coincedence why didn't they notice that before the last two times I was
in with this problem? He replied that they did check the timing and it
was just a little off -- but still within the normal range. I then
asked to talk to the service manager who just happened to be out of the
office.
When I talk to the service manager what "proof" can I show him that the
valve adjustment could have caused the timing belt to jump a tooth? I'm
not a mechanic by any means, so I just can't say "because I saw it in
an online newsgroup." Is there something official from Honda or Acura
that I can find online?
Anyway, the car runs great now. No more rough idle at all. I haven't
gone through a tank of gas yet, but I'm pretty positive that will be
better, too.
arock wrote:
> I have a 1994 Acura Integra LS automatic with 165k miles. I had a valve
> adjustment done on the car. Immediately after the work was done and
> since that time the car has had poor gas mileage, a very rough idle,
> and loss of power. I had abolutely none of those problems before the
> adjustment. Before I take it back into the shop I would like to know if
> a bad valve adjustment could be the source of these problems and how it
> should be remedied. Also, are there any long-term risks associated with
> a bad valve adjustment?
brought up. It did turn out to be that the timing belt had, in fact,
jumped one tooth. However, they insisted that it was purely a
coincidence and the valve adjustment had nothing to do with it. I asked
why would it jump immediately the day after the valve service. He
replied although there is only 65k on the timing belt, that because it
has been over 6 years since it was replaced that the timing belt
probably is due and a little worn and that could've cause it to jump. I
told him I didn't agree with that scenario, but he wouldn't concede.
Seeing that was going nowhere, I then asked assuming that is was a
coincedence why didn't they notice that before the last two times I was
in with this problem? He replied that they did check the timing and it
was just a little off -- but still within the normal range. I then
asked to talk to the service manager who just happened to be out of the
office.
When I talk to the service manager what "proof" can I show him that the
valve adjustment could have caused the timing belt to jump a tooth? I'm
not a mechanic by any means, so I just can't say "because I saw it in
an online newsgroup." Is there something official from Honda or Acura
that I can find online?
Anyway, the car runs great now. No more rough idle at all. I haven't
gone through a tank of gas yet, but I'm pretty positive that will be
better, too.
arock wrote:
> I have a 1994 Acura Integra LS automatic with 165k miles. I had a valve
> adjustment done on the car. Immediately after the work was done and
> since that time the car has had poor gas mileage, a very rough idle,
> and loss of power. I had abolutely none of those problems before the
> adjustment. Before I take it back into the shop I would like to know if
> a bad valve adjustment could be the source of these problems and how it
> should be remedied. Also, are there any long-term risks associated with
> a bad valve adjustment?
07-12-2006 | 12:18 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
Update: I brought the car in and pointed out the issues you guys
brought up. It did turn out to be that the timing belt had, in fact,
jumped one tooth. However, they insisted that it was purely a
coincidence and the valve adjustment had nothing to do with it. I asked
why would it jump immediately the day after the valve service. He
replied although there is only 65k on the timing belt, that because it
has been over 6 years since it was replaced that the timing belt
probably is due and a little worn and that could've cause it to jump. I
told him I didn't agree with that scenario, but he wouldn't concede.
Seeing that was going nowhere, I then asked assuming that is was a
coincedence why didn't they notice that before the last two times I was
in with this problem? He replied that they did check the timing and it
was just a little off -- but still within the normal range. I then
asked to talk to the service manager who just happened to be out of the
office.
When I talk to the service manager what "proof" can I show him that the
valve adjustment could have caused the timing belt to jump a tooth? I'm
not a mechanic by any means, so I just can't say "because I saw it in
an online newsgroup." Is there something official from Honda or Acura
that I can find online?
Anyway, the car runs great now. No more rough idle at all. I haven't
gone through a tank of gas yet, but I'm pretty positive that will be
better, too.
arock wrote:
> I have a 1994 Acura Integra LS automatic with 165k miles. I had a valve
> adjustment done on the car. Immediately after the work was done and
> since that time the car has had poor gas mileage, a very rough idle,
> and loss of power. I had abolutely none of those problems before the
> adjustment. Before I take it back into the shop I would like to know if
> a bad valve adjustment could be the source of these problems and how it
> should be remedied. Also, are there any long-term risks associated with
> a bad valve adjustment?
brought up. It did turn out to be that the timing belt had, in fact,
jumped one tooth. However, they insisted that it was purely a
coincidence and the valve adjustment had nothing to do with it. I asked
why would it jump immediately the day after the valve service. He
replied although there is only 65k on the timing belt, that because it
has been over 6 years since it was replaced that the timing belt
probably is due and a little worn and that could've cause it to jump. I
told him I didn't agree with that scenario, but he wouldn't concede.
Seeing that was going nowhere, I then asked assuming that is was a
coincedence why didn't they notice that before the last two times I was
in with this problem? He replied that they did check the timing and it
was just a little off -- but still within the normal range. I then
asked to talk to the service manager who just happened to be out of the
office.
When I talk to the service manager what "proof" can I show him that the
valve adjustment could have caused the timing belt to jump a tooth? I'm
not a mechanic by any means, so I just can't say "because I saw it in
an online newsgroup." Is there something official from Honda or Acura
that I can find online?
Anyway, the car runs great now. No more rough idle at all. I haven't
gone through a tank of gas yet, but I'm pretty positive that will be
better, too.
arock wrote:
> I have a 1994 Acura Integra LS automatic with 165k miles. I had a valve
> adjustment done on the car. Immediately after the work was done and
> since that time the car has had poor gas mileage, a very rough idle,
> and loss of power. I had abolutely none of those problems before the
> adjustment. Before I take it back into the shop I would like to know if
> a bad valve adjustment could be the source of these problems and how it
> should be remedied. Also, are there any long-term risks associated with
> a bad valve adjustment?
07-12-2006 | 07:56 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
unknown
Mike
modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
unknown
Mike
07-12-2006 | 07:56 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
unknown
Mike
modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
unknown
Mike
07-12-2006 | 07:56 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
unknown
Mike
modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
unknown
Mike
07-12-2006 | 07:56 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
unknown
Mike
modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
unknown
Mike
07-12-2006 | 08:45 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>
>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>unknown
>
>Mike
Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
occurred in that manner.
If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>
>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>unknown
>
>Mike
Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
occurred in that manner.
If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
07-12-2006 | 08:45 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>
>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>unknown
>
>Mike
Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
occurred in that manner.
If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>
>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>unknown
>
>Mike
Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
occurred in that manner.
If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
07-12-2006 | 08:45 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>
>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>unknown
>
>Mike
Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
occurred in that manner.
If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>
>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>unknown
>
>Mike
Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
occurred in that manner.
If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
07-12-2006 | 08:45 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>
>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>unknown
>
>Mike
Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
occurred in that manner.
If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>
>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>unknown
>
>Mike
Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
occurred in that manner.
If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
07-12-2006 | 09:04 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:275bb29134q4kpeohenb3gske7jbk4s07s@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>>
>>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>>unknown
>>
>>Mike
>
> Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
> Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
> aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
> valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
> occurred in that manner.
>
> If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
>
>
Rotating the engine backward, even gently, is definitely capable of causing
the belt to jump. Fortunately the cover was still off when I did that <8^P
Mike
news:275bb29134q4kpeohenb3gske7jbk4s07s@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>>
>>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>>unknown
>>
>>Mike
>
> Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
> Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
> aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
> valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
> occurred in that manner.
>
> If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
>
>
Rotating the engine backward, even gently, is definitely capable of causing
the belt to jump. Fortunately the cover was still off when I did that <8^P
Mike
07-12-2006 | 09:04 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:275bb29134q4kpeohenb3gske7jbk4s07s@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>>
>>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>>unknown
>>
>>Mike
>
> Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
> Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
> aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
> valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
> occurred in that manner.
>
> If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
>
>
Rotating the engine backward, even gently, is definitely capable of causing
the belt to jump. Fortunately the cover was still off when I did that <8^P
Mike
news:275bb29134q4kpeohenb3gske7jbk4s07s@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>>
>>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>>unknown
>>
>>Mike
>
> Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
> Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
> aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
> valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
> occurred in that manner.
>
> If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
>
>
Rotating the engine backward, even gently, is definitely capable of causing
the belt to jump. Fortunately the cover was still off when I did that <8^P
Mike
07-12-2006 | 09:04 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:275bb29134q4kpeohenb3gske7jbk4s07s@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>>
>>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>>unknown
>>
>>Mike
>
> Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
> Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
> aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
> valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
> occurred in that manner.
>
> If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
>
>
Rotating the engine backward, even gently, is definitely capable of causing
the belt to jump. Fortunately the cover was still off when I did that <8^P
Mike
news:275bb29134q4kpeohenb3gske7jbk4s07s@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>>
>>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>>unknown
>>
>>Mike
>
> Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
> Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
> aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
> valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
> occurred in that manner.
>
> If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
>
>
Rotating the engine backward, even gently, is definitely capable of causing
the belt to jump. Fortunately the cover was still off when I did that <8^P
Mike
07-12-2006 | 09:04 PM
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Re: 1994 Integra: Bad Valve Adjustment?
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:275bb29134q4kpeohenb3gske7jbk4s07s@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>>
>>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>>unknown
>>
>>Mike
>
> Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
> Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
> aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
> valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
> occurred in that manner.
>
> If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
>
>
Rotating the engine backward, even gently, is definitely capable of causing
the belt to jump. Fortunately the cover was still off when I did that <8^P
Mike
news:275bb29134q4kpeohenb3gske7jbk4s07s@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:56:06 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>Maybe the answer is that it's good you learned about their integrity at a
>>modest cost, rather with something more expensive.
>>
>>"If you loan a friend $20 and they never pay you back, it was worth it." -
>>unknown
>>
>>Mike
>
> Not sure how adjusting the valves would cause the belt to slip.
> Possibly, if the belt were loose and the engine was rotated backwards
> aggressively, then maybe. If the valve timing is now advanced (i.e.
> valves opening too soon), that could indicate that the slippage
> occurred in that manner.
>
> If they are complete idiots, anything is possible.
>
>
Rotating the engine backward, even gently, is definitely capable of causing
the belt to jump. Fortunately the cover was still off when I did that <8^P
Mike