dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:13:05 -0700, motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a crack in
>>> the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I suppose the rad
>>> is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered. Don't know for shure- I
>>> advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the area and smear it on as a
>>> temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does the flat rate book say is the
>>> labor hours for that project? The cost for the labor goes with the area
>>> [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say the pric off the top. Any advice as
>>> to what kind of rad to replace it with if the JB fails. I see the price of
>>> those rads vary from about $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying
>>> to get an idea as to the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will
>>> probably get the bill. Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>>
>> ===================================
>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>
>> 'Curly'
>
> I have a 91 Accord automatic that likely needs a radiator. It has a
> very slow leak on top. How tough is it to DIY on an automatic?

just the same. only 2 more small tubes. you spill a little
transmission fluid, but not much. last time i did it, spillage was so
small, i didn't even need to top it up!

 

dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:13:05 -0700, motsco_ <motsco_@interbaun.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a crack in
>>> the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I suppose the rad
>>> is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered. Don't know for shure- I
>>> advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the area and smear it on as a
>>> temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does the flat rate book say is the
>>> labor hours for that project? The cost for the labor goes with the area
>>> [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say the pric off the top. Any advice as
>>> to what kind of rad to replace it with if the JB fails. I see the price of
>>> those rads vary from about $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying
>>> to get an idea as to the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will
>>> probably get the bill. Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>>
>> ===================================
>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>
>> 'Curly'
>
> I have a 91 Accord automatic that likely needs a radiator. It has a
> very slow leak on top. How tough is it to DIY on an automatic?

just the same. only 2 more small tubes. you spill a little
transmission fluid, but not much. last time i did it, spillage was so
small, i didn't even need to top it up!

 

Tom Allemani wrote:
> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a crack
>>> in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I suppose the
>>> rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered. Don't know for
>>> shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the area and smear it
>>> on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does the flat rate book
>>> say is the labor hours for that project? The cost for the labor goes
>>> with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say the pric off the
>>> top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it with if the JB
>>> fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about $74.00 to $160.00.
>>> Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to the all around cost of
>>> the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill. Any advice would be
>>> appericated, Thanks, Tom
>> ===================================
>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all I
>> can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a breeze
>> to replace, even DIY.
>>
>> 'Curly'
>
>
> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal tube
> in the back of the engine

which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want
to charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.

> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of
> $606.oo two days ago.

cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.

> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a
> crack.

they do.

> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with the
> car.

unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.

> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used in
> the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.

dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight
more from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the
antifreeze.

> Well we'll see. He
> is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since the 60's and I think he
> has a case. Well any advice would be appericated again, Thanks for the
> reply. Tom

i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.

 

Tom Allemani wrote:
> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a crack
>>> in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I suppose the
>>> rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered. Don't know for
>>> shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the area and smear it
>>> on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does the flat rate book
>>> say is the labor hours for that project? The cost for the labor goes
>>> with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say the pric off the
>>> top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it with if the JB
>>> fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about $74.00 to $160.00.
>>> Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to the all around cost of
>>> the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill. Any advice would be
>>> appericated, Thanks, Tom
>> ===================================
>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all I
>> can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a breeze
>> to replace, even DIY.
>>
>> 'Curly'
>
>
> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal tube
> in the back of the engine

which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want
to charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.

> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of
> $606.oo two days ago.

cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.

> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a
> crack.

they do.

> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with the
> car.

unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.

> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used in
> the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.

dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight
more from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the
antifreeze.

> Well we'll see. He
> is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since the 60's and I think he
> has a case. Well any advice would be appericated again, Thanks for the
> reply. Tom

i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.

 

Tom Allemani wrote:
> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a crack
>>> in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I suppose the
>>> rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered. Don't know for
>>> shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the area and smear it
>>> on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does the flat rate book
>>> say is the labor hours for that project? The cost for the labor goes
>>> with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say the pric off the
>>> top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it with if the JB
>>> fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about $74.00 to $160.00.
>>> Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to the all around cost of
>>> the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill. Any advice would be
>>> appericated, Thanks, Tom
>> ===================================
>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all I
>> can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a breeze
>> to replace, even DIY.
>>
>> 'Curly'
>
>
> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal tube
> in the back of the engine

which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want
to charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.

> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of
> $606.oo two days ago.

cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.

> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a
> crack.

they do.

> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with the
> car.

unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.

> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used in
> the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.

dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight
more from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the
antifreeze.

> Well we'll see. He
> is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since the 60's and I think he
> has a case. Well any advice would be appericated again, Thanks for the
> reply. Tom

i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.

 

Tom Allemani wrote:
> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a crack
>>> in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I suppose the
>>> rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered. Don't know for
>>> shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the area and smear it
>>> on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does the flat rate book
>>> say is the labor hours for that project? The cost for the labor goes
>>> with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say the pric off the
>>> top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it with if the JB
>>> fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about $74.00 to $160.00.
>>> Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to the all around cost of
>>> the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill. Any advice would be
>>> appericated, Thanks, Tom
>> ===================================
>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all I
>> can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a breeze
>> to replace, even DIY.
>>
>> 'Curly'
>
>
> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal tube
> in the back of the engine

which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want
to charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.

> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of
> $606.oo two days ago.

cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.

> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a
> crack.

they do.

> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with the
> car.

unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.

> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used in
> the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.

dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight
more from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the
antifreeze.

> Well we'll see. He
> is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since the 60's and I think he
> has a case. Well any advice would be appericated again, Thanks for the
> reply. Tom

i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.

 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:IZudnTGW47JVCVHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Tom Allemani wrote:
>> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a
>>>> crack in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I
>>>> suppose the rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered.
>>>> Don't know for shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the
>>>> area and smear it on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does
>>>> the flat rate book say is the labor hours for that project? The cost
>>>> for the labor goes with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say
>>>> the pric off the top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it
>>>> with if the JB fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about
>>>> $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to
>>>> the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill.
>>>> Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>> ===================================
>>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>>
>>> 'Curly'
>>
>>
>> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal
>> tube in the back of the engine
>
> which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want to
> charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.
>
>> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of $606.oo two days ago.
>
> cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
> shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.
>
>> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a crack.
>
> they do.
>
>> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
>> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
>> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with
>> the car.
>
> unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.
>
>> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
>> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
>> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used
>> in the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.
>
> dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight more
> from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the antifreeze.
>
>> Well we'll see. He is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since
>> the 60's and I think he has a case. Well any advice would be appericated
>> again, Thanks for the reply. Tom
>
> i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
> impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.

They are probably competent. The fix on the pipe was $230.00 thats fine.
The rest was the remaining of the $606.00 thats fine.
It's just that it wasen't leaking " there" till he got home right after
getting it fixed for those other problems. ok I guess just an amazing
conincidence, mabey.
BTW whats a Kragen?

the main problem is i haven't seen the repair slip and can't really judge
what the deal was, as I live in MN and he is in San Fran area so life is
like that.
Anyway thanks for the reply, Tom. [not dude] :]

 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:IZudnTGW47JVCVHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Tom Allemani wrote:
>> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a
>>>> crack in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I
>>>> suppose the rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered.
>>>> Don't know for shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the
>>>> area and smear it on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does
>>>> the flat rate book say is the labor hours for that project? The cost
>>>> for the labor goes with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say
>>>> the pric off the top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it
>>>> with if the JB fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about
>>>> $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to
>>>> the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill.
>>>> Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>> ===================================
>>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>>
>>> 'Curly'
>>
>>
>> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal
>> tube in the back of the engine
>
> which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want to
> charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.
>
>> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of $606.oo two days ago.
>
> cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
> shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.
>
>> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a crack.
>
> they do.
>
>> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
>> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
>> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with
>> the car.
>
> unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.
>
>> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
>> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
>> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used
>> in the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.
>
> dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight more
> from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the antifreeze.
>
>> Well we'll see. He is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since
>> the 60's and I think he has a case. Well any advice would be appericated
>> again, Thanks for the reply. Tom
>
> i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
> impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.

They are probably competent. The fix on the pipe was $230.00 thats fine.
The rest was the remaining of the $606.00 thats fine.
It's just that it wasen't leaking " there" till he got home right after
getting it fixed for those other problems. ok I guess just an amazing
conincidence, mabey.
BTW whats a Kragen?

the main problem is i haven't seen the repair slip and can't really judge
what the deal was, as I live in MN and he is in San Fran area so life is
like that.
Anyway thanks for the reply, Tom. [not dude] :]

 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:IZudnTGW47JVCVHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Tom Allemani wrote:
>> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a
>>>> crack in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I
>>>> suppose the rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered.
>>>> Don't know for shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the
>>>> area and smear it on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does
>>>> the flat rate book say is the labor hours for that project? The cost
>>>> for the labor goes with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say
>>>> the pric off the top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it
>>>> with if the JB fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about
>>>> $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to
>>>> the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill.
>>>> Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>> ===================================
>>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>>
>>> 'Curly'
>>
>>
>> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal
>> tube in the back of the engine
>
> which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want to
> charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.
>
>> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of $606.oo two days ago.
>
> cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
> shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.
>
>> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a crack.
>
> they do.
>
>> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
>> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
>> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with
>> the car.
>
> unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.
>
>> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
>> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
>> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used
>> in the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.
>
> dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight more
> from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the antifreeze.
>
>> Well we'll see. He is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since
>> the 60's and I think he has a case. Well any advice would be appericated
>> again, Thanks for the reply. Tom
>
> i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
> impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.

They are probably competent. The fix on the pipe was $230.00 thats fine.
The rest was the remaining of the $606.00 thats fine.
It's just that it wasen't leaking " there" till he got home right after
getting it fixed for those other problems. ok I guess just an amazing
conincidence, mabey.
BTW whats a Kragen?

the main problem is i haven't seen the repair slip and can't really judge
what the deal was, as I live in MN and he is in San Fran area so life is
like that.
Anyway thanks for the reply, Tom. [not dude] :]

 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:IZudnTGW47JVCVHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Tom Allemani wrote:
>> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a
>>>> crack in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I
>>>> suppose the rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered.
>>>> Don't know for shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the
>>>> area and smear it on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does
>>>> the flat rate book say is the labor hours for that project? The cost
>>>> for the labor goes with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say
>>>> the pric off the top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it
>>>> with if the JB fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about
>>>> $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to
>>>> the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill.
>>>> Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>> ===================================
>>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>>
>>> 'Curly'
>>
>>
>> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal
>> tube in the back of the engine
>
> which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want to
> charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.
>
>> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of $606.oo two days ago.
>
> cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
> shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.
>
>> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a crack.
>
> they do.
>
>> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
>> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
>> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with
>> the car.
>
> unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.
>
>> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
>> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
>> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used
>> in the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.
>
> dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight more
> from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the antifreeze.
>
>> Well we'll see. He is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since
>> the 60's and I think he has a case. Well any advice would be appericated
>> again, Thanks for the reply. Tom
>
> i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
> impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.

They are probably competent. The fix on the pipe was $230.00 thats fine.
The rest was the remaining of the $606.00 thats fine.
It's just that it wasen't leaking " there" till he got home right after
getting it fixed for those other problems. ok I guess just an amazing
conincidence, mabey.
BTW whats a Kragen?

the main problem is i haven't seen the repair slip and can't really judge
what the deal was, as I live in MN and he is in San Fran area so life is
like that.
Anyway thanks for the reply, Tom. [not dude] :]

 

Tom Allemani wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:IZudnTGW47JVCVHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>>> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a
>>>>> crack in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I
>>>>> suppose the rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered.
>>>>> Don't know for shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the
>>>>> area and smear it on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does
>>>>> the flat rate book say is the labor hours for that project? The cost
>>>>> for the labor goes with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say
>>>>> the pric off the top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it
>>>>> with if the JB fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about
>>>>> $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to
>>>>> the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill.
>>>>> Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>>> ===================================
>>>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>>>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>>>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>>>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>>>
>>>> 'Curly'
>>>
>>> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal
>>> tube in the back of the engine
>> which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want to
>> charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.
>>
>>> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of $606.oo two days ago.
>> cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
>> shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.
>>
>>> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a crack.
>> they do.
>>
>>> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
>>> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
>>> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with
>>> the car.
>> unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.
>>
>>> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
>>> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
>>> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used
>>> in the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.
>> dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight more
>> from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the antifreeze.
>>
>>> Well we'll see. He is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since
>>> the 60's and I think he has a case. Well any advice would be appericated
>>> again, Thanks for the reply. Tom
>> i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
>> impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.
>
> They are probably competent. The fix on the pipe was $230.00 thats fine.
> The rest was the remaining of the $606.00 thats fine.
> It's just that it wasen't leaking " there" till he got home right after
> getting it fixed for those other problems. ok I guess just an amazing
> conincidence, mabey.

coincidence. plastic tanks crack and leak with age. google this group
to see hundreds of posts on this subject. all plastic tanks do it, not
just honda. with the leak fixed, the system could fully pressurize and
that was probably the last straw.

> BTW whats a Kragen?

high street parts retailer.

>
> the main problem is i haven't seen the repair slip and can't really judge
> what the deal was,

yes indeed.

> as I live in MN and he is in San Fran area so life is
> like that.
> Anyway thanks for the reply, Tom. [not dude] :]
>
>

 

Tom Allemani wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:IZudnTGW47JVCVHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>>> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a
>>>>> crack in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I
>>>>> suppose the rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered.
>>>>> Don't know for shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the
>>>>> area and smear it on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does
>>>>> the flat rate book say is the labor hours for that project? The cost
>>>>> for the labor goes with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say
>>>>> the pric off the top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it
>>>>> with if the JB fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about
>>>>> $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to
>>>>> the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill.
>>>>> Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>>> ===================================
>>>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>>>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>>>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>>>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>>>
>>>> 'Curly'
>>>
>>> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal
>>> tube in the back of the engine
>> which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want to
>> charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.
>>
>>> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of $606.oo two days ago.
>> cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
>> shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.
>>
>>> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a crack.
>> they do.
>>
>>> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
>>> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
>>> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with
>>> the car.
>> unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.
>>
>>> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
>>> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
>>> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used
>>> in the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.
>> dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight more
>> from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the antifreeze.
>>
>>> Well we'll see. He is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since
>>> the 60's and I think he has a case. Well any advice would be appericated
>>> again, Thanks for the reply. Tom
>> i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
>> impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.
>
> They are probably competent. The fix on the pipe was $230.00 thats fine.
> The rest was the remaining of the $606.00 thats fine.
> It's just that it wasen't leaking " there" till he got home right after
> getting it fixed for those other problems. ok I guess just an amazing
> conincidence, mabey.

coincidence. plastic tanks crack and leak with age. google this group
to see hundreds of posts on this subject. all plastic tanks do it, not
just honda. with the leak fixed, the system could fully pressurize and
that was probably the last straw.

> BTW whats a Kragen?

high street parts retailer.

>
> the main problem is i haven't seen the repair slip and can't really judge
> what the deal was,

yes indeed.

> as I live in MN and he is in San Fran area so life is
> like that.
> Anyway thanks for the reply, Tom. [not dude] :]
>
>

 

Tom Allemani wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:IZudnTGW47JVCVHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>>> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a
>>>>> crack in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I
>>>>> suppose the rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered.
>>>>> Don't know for shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the
>>>>> area and smear it on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does
>>>>> the flat rate book say is the labor hours for that project? The cost
>>>>> for the labor goes with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say
>>>>> the pric off the top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it
>>>>> with if the JB fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about
>>>>> $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to
>>>>> the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill.
>>>>> Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>>> ===================================
>>>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>>>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>>>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>>>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>>>
>>>> 'Curly'
>>>
>>> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal
>>> tube in the back of the engine
>> which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want to
>> charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.
>>
>>> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of $606.oo two days ago.
>> cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
>> shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.
>>
>>> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a crack.
>> they do.
>>
>>> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
>>> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
>>> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with
>>> the car.
>> unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.
>>
>>> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
>>> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
>>> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used
>>> in the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.
>> dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight more
>> from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the antifreeze.
>>
>>> Well we'll see. He is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since
>>> the 60's and I think he has a case. Well any advice would be appericated
>>> again, Thanks for the reply. Tom
>> i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
>> impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.
>
> They are probably competent. The fix on the pipe was $230.00 thats fine.
> The rest was the remaining of the $606.00 thats fine.
> It's just that it wasen't leaking " there" till he got home right after
> getting it fixed for those other problems. ok I guess just an amazing
> conincidence, mabey.

coincidence. plastic tanks crack and leak with age. google this group
to see hundreds of posts on this subject. all plastic tanks do it, not
just honda. with the leak fixed, the system could fully pressurize and
that was probably the last straw.

> BTW whats a Kragen?

high street parts retailer.

>
> the main problem is i haven't seen the repair slip and can't really judge
> what the deal was,

yes indeed.

> as I live in MN and he is in San Fran area so life is
> like that.
> Anyway thanks for the reply, Tom. [not dude] :]
>
>

 

Tom Allemani wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:IZudnTGW47JVCVHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>>> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a
>>>>> crack in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I
>>>>> suppose the rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered.
>>>>> Don't know for shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean the
>>>>> area and smear it on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what does
>>>>> the flat rate book say is the labor hours for that project? The cost
>>>>> for the labor goes with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard to say
>>>>> the pric off the top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to replace it
>>>>> with if the JB fails. I see the price of those rads vary from about
>>>>> $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying to get an idea as to
>>>>> the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will probably get the bill.
>>>>> Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>>> ===================================
>>>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only work
>>>> for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here. That's all
>>>> I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual tranny, it's a
>>>> breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>>>
>>>> 'Curly'
>>>
>>> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal
>>> tube in the back of the engine
>> which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want to
>> charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.
>>
>>> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of $606.oo two days ago.
>> cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
>> shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.
>>
>>> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a crack.
>> they do.
>>
>>> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
>>> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at the
>>> back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home with
>>> the car.
>> unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.
>>
>>> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
>>> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
>>> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they used
>>> in the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.
>> dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight more
>> from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the antifreeze.
>>
>>> Well we'll see. He is nto a mec but I have been working on cars since
>>> the 60's and I think he has a case. Well any advice would be appericated
>>> again, Thanks for the reply. Tom
>> i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
>> impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.
>
> They are probably competent. The fix on the pipe was $230.00 thats fine.
> The rest was the remaining of the $606.00 thats fine.
> It's just that it wasen't leaking " there" till he got home right after
> getting it fixed for those other problems. ok I guess just an amazing
> conincidence, mabey.

coincidence. plastic tanks crack and leak with age. google this group
to see hundreds of posts on this subject. all plastic tanks do it, not
just honda. with the leak fixed, the system could fully pressurize and
that was probably the last straw.

> BTW whats a Kragen?

high street parts retailer.

>
> the main problem is i haven't seen the repair slip and can't really judge
> what the deal was,

yes indeed.

> as I live in MN and he is in San Fran area so life is
> like that.
> Anyway thanks for the reply, Tom. [not dude] :]
>
>

 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:U6OdnT5XZ9eMN1HYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
> Tom Allemani wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:IZudnTGW47JVCVHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>> "motsco_" <motsco_@interbaun.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:12sovvuqkkchjf3@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> Tom Allemani wrote:
>>>>>> My son has a 1991 Honda DX civic with manual trans. It also has a
>>>>>> crack in the top part of the radiator now and needs to be fixed. I
>>>>>> suppose the rad is one of those plastic jobs so can't be soldered.
>>>>>> Don't know for shure- I advised him to get some JB Weld and clean
>>>>>> the area and smear it on as a temp. fix. Anyway the question is what
>>>>>> does the flat rate book say is the labor hours for that project? The
>>>>>> cost for the labor goes with the area [San Francisco Bay] so its hard
>>>>>> to say the pric off the top. Any advice as to what kind of rad to
>>>>>> replace it with if the JB fails. I see the price of those rads vary
>>>>>> from about $74.00 to $160.00. Quite a difference Trying to get an
>>>>>> idea as to the all around cost of the fix. Seeing as I will probably
>>>>>> get the bill. Any advice would be appericated, Thanks, Tom
>>>>> ===================================
>>>>> Even with very careful preparation of the surface the JB will only
>>>>> work for a day or two. It's been mentioned many times around here.
>>>>> That's all I can offer. Just swap the rad. Since he has a manual
>>>>> tranny, it's a breeze to replace, even DIY.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Curly'
>>>>
>>>> Well here's the thing, He just had the car fixed for a leak in a metal
>>>> tube in the back of the engine
>>> which is a giant pain and involves a lot of disassembly work. i'd want
>>> to charge you close to $600 just for that job alone.
>>>
>>>> and both cv joints replaced to the tune of $606.oo two days ago.
>>> cv joints or whole shafts? joints are more expensive. cheapie whole
>>> shafts are $75 - $100 each. quality honda shafts are over $300 each.
>>>
>>>> Now the radiator is started leaking on the top from a crack.
>>> they do.
>>>
>>>> I advised him to return to the shop and see what they had to say. I
>>>> personaly think that the mec may have "leaned " on the rad to get at
>>>> the back of the engine because the leak started soon after he got home
>>>> with the car.
>>> unlikely. unfortunate, but unlikely.
>>>
>>>> Prove it? Mabey that can't be done easly but it is very much of a
>>>> concidence. If they will not admit it where would he go to complain?
>>>> Seeing as they charged him $15.00 for a gallon of anti- freeze they
>>>> used in the fix I get the idea theat he may be getting ripped.
>>> dude, quality aluminum safe stuff is $9 from woolmort. damned sight
>>> more from kragen. they're not making much profit from you on the
>>> antifreeze.
>>>
>>>> Well we'll see. He is nto a mec but I have been working on cars
>>>> since the 60's and I think he has a case. Well any advice would be
>>>> appericated again, Thanks for the reply. Tom
>>> i think the fact that they diagnosed a leak in a place that's almost
>>> impossible to access may hint at their being vaguely competent.
>>
>> They are probably competent. The fix on the pipe was $230.00 thats fine.
>> The rest was the remaining of the $606.00 thats fine.
>> It's just that it wasen't leaking " there" till he got home right after
>> getting it fixed for those other problems. ok I guess just an amazing
>> conincidence, mabey.
>
> coincidence. plastic tanks crack and leak with age. google this group to
> see hundreds of posts on this subject. all plastic tanks do it, not just
> honda. with the leak fixed, the system could fully pressurize and that
> was probably the last straw.
>

Yes I was thinking the same thing, And that rad is 16 years old It's
just luck it lasted this long. I suspect the whole system May be ready for
work.
I looked in a repair manual and i see what you mean about that pipe being
really hard to get at. Time is money and that would be time consuming to do
that part.
Oh Well. Dad's paying for it once again. If you have kid's you know what
I mean.
Thanks, Tom

>> BTW whats a Kragen?
>
> high street parts retailer.
>
>>
>> the main problem is i haven't seen the repair slip and can't really judge
>> what the deal was,
>
> yes indeed.
>
>> as I live in MN and he is in San Fran area so life is like that.
>> Anyway thanks for the reply, Tom. [not dude] :]