I have a 1987 Accord LX with emmissions problems. It has markedly high HC and CO output. I have replaced the air filter, o2 sensor and PCV Valve. I have a new CAT for it but it isn't installed yet. The engine is carburated and i'm wondering how to go about adjusting the mixture to lean it out, or any other ideas anyone might have to get the emmisions down

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I have a 1987 Accord LX with emmissions problems. It has markedly high
HC and CO output. I have replaced the air filter, o2 sensor and PCV
Valve. I have a new CAT for it but it isn't installed yet. The engine is
carburated and i'm wondering how to go about adjusting the mixture to lean
it out, or any other ideas anyone might have to get the emmisions down.--
Lifestar
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What's the condition of the muffler and catalytic converter?

Does black smoke come out of the exhaust pipe when you start the car?

On a car that is 19 years old, it's very possible that the rings
are going bad. That's is a problem that is very expensive to repair.
It may be time to start thinking about trading it in on a newer
car. It's possible to get some great deal on used cars that are
in great condition.
They may still sell a chemical that you can add to your gas that
helped to pass to pass emissions tests. I doubt if it will work
if your rings are in bad condition.
Jason

 

In article <Lifestar.27m2fw@no-mx.carstalk.net>, Lifestar
<Lifestar.27m2fw@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote:

I have a 1987 Accord LX with emmissions problems. It has markedly high
HC and CO output. I have replaced the air filter, o2 sensor and PCV
Valve. I have a new CAT for it but it isn't installed yet. The engine is
carburated and i'm wondering how to go about adjusting the mixture to lean
it out, or any other ideas anyone might have to get the emmisions down.--
Lifestar
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What's the condition of the muffler and catalytic converter?

Does black smoke come out of the exhaust pipe when you start the car?

On a car that is 19 years old, it's very possible that the rings
are going bad. That's is a problem that is very expensive to repair.
It may be time to start thinking about trading it in on a newer
car. It's possible to get some great deal on used cars that are
in great condition.
They may still sell a chemical that you can add to your gas that
helped to pass to pass emissions tests. I doubt if it will work
if your rings are in bad condition.
Jason

 

In article <Lifestar.27m2fw@no-mx.carstalk.net>, Lifestar
<Lifestar.27m2fw@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote:

I have a 1987 Accord LX with emmissions problems. It has markedly high
HC and CO output. I have replaced the air filter, o2 sensor and PCV
Valve. I have a new CAT for it but it isn't installed yet. The engine is
carburated and i'm wondering how to go about adjusting the mixture to lean
it out, or any other ideas anyone might have to get the emmisions down.--
Lifestar
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What's the condition of the muffler and catalytic converter?

Does black smoke come out of the exhaust pipe when you start the car?

On a car that is 19 years old, it's very possible that the rings
are going bad. That's is a problem that is very expensive to repair.
It may be time to start thinking about trading it in on a newer
car. It's possible to get some great deal on used cars that are
in great condition.
They may still sell a chemical that you can add to your gas that
helped to pass to pass emissions tests. I doubt if it will work
if your rings are in bad condition.
Jason

 

"Lifestar" <Lifestar.27m2fw@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
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> I have a 1987 Accord LX with emmissions problems. It has markedly high HC
> and CO output. I have replaced the air filter, o2 sensor and PCV Valve.
> I have a new CAT for it but it isn't installed yet. The engine is
> carburated and i'm wondering how to go about adjusting the mixture to lean
> it out, or any other ideas anyone might have to get the emmisions down.
>
>
>
The cat is a good suspect, given the age and that both HC and CO are high. I
also think you've chosen a good sequence to get to this stage.

I have a hunch the idle mixture control is sealed on your carburetor.
Sometimes the seal takes the form of a plastic cap that allows you to make
about half a turn of adjustment. Normally the mixture doesn't need to be
readjusted. In Ye Olde Days the mixture could be adjusted by ear, actually
with a tach. The mixture was set on the rich side and leaned out until the
rpms drop by 50. That became obsolete when catalytic converters came out,
since some CO was necessary to fire the cat.

From here, install the cat and see how it goes - I expect your problem will
be solved. If CO is still high, see if there is an air injection system (I'm
not familiar with carbureted Hondas) that needs work.

Mike

 

"Lifestar" <Lifestar.27m2fw@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
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> I have a 1987 Accord LX with emmissions problems. It has markedly high HC
> and CO output. I have replaced the air filter, o2 sensor and PCV Valve.
> I have a new CAT for it but it isn't installed yet. The engine is
> carburated and i'm wondering how to go about adjusting the mixture to lean
> it out, or any other ideas anyone might have to get the emmisions down.
>
>
>
The cat is a good suspect, given the age and that both HC and CO are high. I
also think you've chosen a good sequence to get to this stage.

I have a hunch the idle mixture control is sealed on your carburetor.
Sometimes the seal takes the form of a plastic cap that allows you to make
about half a turn of adjustment. Normally the mixture doesn't need to be
readjusted. In Ye Olde Days the mixture could be adjusted by ear, actually
with a tach. The mixture was set on the rich side and leaned out until the
rpms drop by 50. That became obsolete when catalytic converters came out,
since some CO was necessary to fire the cat.

From here, install the cat and see how it goes - I expect your problem will
be solved. If CO is still high, see if there is an air injection system (I'm
not familiar with carbureted Hondas) that needs work.

Mike

 

"Lifestar" <Lifestar.27m2fw@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote in message
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>
> I have a 1987 Accord LX with emmissions problems. It has markedly high HC
> and CO output. I have replaced the air filter, o2 sensor and PCV Valve.
> I have a new CAT for it but it isn't installed yet. The engine is
> carburated and i'm wondering how to go about adjusting the mixture to lean
> it out, or any other ideas anyone might have to get the emmisions down.
>
>
>
The cat is a good suspect, given the age and that both HC and CO are high. I
also think you've chosen a good sequence to get to this stage.

I have a hunch the idle mixture control is sealed on your carburetor.
Sometimes the seal takes the form of a plastic cap that allows you to make
about half a turn of adjustment. Normally the mixture doesn't need to be
readjusted. In Ye Olde Days the mixture could be adjusted by ear, actually
with a tach. The mixture was set on the rich side and leaned out until the
rpms drop by 50. That became obsolete when catalytic converters came out,
since some CO was necessary to fire the cat.

From here, install the cat and see how it goes - I expect your problem will
be solved. If CO is still high, see if there is an air injection system (I'm
not familiar with carbureted Hondas) that needs work.

Mike

 

I had an emissions prob w/ my 86 Civic Wagon, auto/air/2wd, carb.

My prob was NOX [nitrous oxide] which the guy from State EPA told me
was "fixable," which I thought was an odd word to use [what ISN'T
fixable?]. What he meant was fixable at reasonable cost, probably via a
cat converter. If the prob were HC [hydro-carbons], it could have
meant bad rings which, as stated in previous posts here, is
unfortunately expensive. [But other things can cause HC probs;
hopefully economical carb adjustments.]

I didn't get cat converter because in this state I was eligible for an
emissions waiver since my spending on this repair job [a lot of carb
work] had reached a certain threshold.

You may want to see if your state offers emissions waivers. The state
inspection office I used was not well informed on the issue.

 

I had an emissions prob w/ my 86 Civic Wagon, auto/air/2wd, carb.

My prob was NOX [nitrous oxide] which the guy from State EPA told me
was "fixable," which I thought was an odd word to use [what ISN'T
fixable?]. What he meant was fixable at reasonable cost, probably via a
cat converter. If the prob were HC [hydro-carbons], it could have
meant bad rings which, as stated in previous posts here, is
unfortunately expensive. [But other things can cause HC probs;
hopefully economical carb adjustments.]

I didn't get cat converter because in this state I was eligible for an
emissions waiver since my spending on this repair job [a lot of carb
work] had reached a certain threshold.

You may want to see if your state offers emissions waivers. The state
inspection office I used was not well informed on the issue.

 

I had an emissions prob w/ my 86 Civic Wagon, auto/air/2wd, carb.

My prob was NOX [nitrous oxide] which the guy from State EPA told me
was "fixable," which I thought was an odd word to use [what ISN'T
fixable?]. What he meant was fixable at reasonable cost, probably via a
cat converter. If the prob were HC [hydro-carbons], it could have
meant bad rings which, as stated in previous posts here, is
unfortunately expensive. [But other things can cause HC probs;
hopefully economical carb adjustments.]

I didn't get cat converter because in this state I was eligible for an
emissions waiver since my spending on this repair job [a lot of carb
work] had reached a certain threshold.

You may want to see if your state offers emissions waivers. The state
inspection office I used was not well informed on the issue.