a <a@thisisnotmyrealemail.com> wrote in
news:v%ual.4455$PH1.1030@edtnps82:

> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>> When our Toyota had a similar issue (cracked windshield within the
>> warranty period) the service writer ran a ball point pen along the
>> crack to check for a chip. When the pen snagged in a chip he
>> explained it wasn't a defect, it was damage and referred us to our
>> insurance.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>
> That seems like a rather un-scientific and arbitrary way to test for a
> chip...
>
> a




That's the way they do it, like it or not.


And it's more scientific than you think. Since a ballpoint pen has a sphere
on the end, it can find the very tiniest chips in the glass.


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dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:06:52 -0500, Al <al@spamless.com> wrote:
>
>> News wrote:
>>> c wrote:
>>>> On Jan 7, 6:20 am, Dano58 <dan.dibi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 6, 1:08 pm, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday morning at 20 degrees my wife slapped the driver side wiper
>>>>>> against the windshield to break off some ice and snow and we cracked
>>>>>> the windshield!
>>>>>> Anyone else had this problem? Seems like the long windshield design
>>>>>> will be prone to cracks, etc.
>>>>>> Other than that we're happy as larks with our Fit.
>>>>>> c
>>>>> I Googled it and came up with this -
>>>>>
>>>>> http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f143540/0
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like there might be an issue with the windshields anyways. Of
>>>>> course, in your case, you caused the crack so you probably don't have
>>>>> a leg to stand on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan D
>>>>> '07 Ody EX
>>>>> Central NJ USA
>>>> thanks for info. Dealer said because we slapped wiper on windshiled
>>>> it's not covered.
>>>
>>> Theory of contributory negligence?
>> Not at all. No theories are involved, just facts. She broke the
>> windshield - he pays to replace it. It's zero percent the car's fault
>> and 100% the operator's. But they can claim it on their comprehensive
>> insurance because it was done accidentally.
>
> I disagree. I have often just let the wipers smack the windshield. Not
> too hard of course, but I also don't place them gently back on the
> glass. It seems to me that windshield glass should take a bigger
> impact than rubber blades hitting it, even at 20F.

Yes, but did you read the original post? "....my wife slapped the
driver side wiper against the windshield to break off some ice..."
There is a big difference between a rubber blade and an ice encrusted one.

 

On Jan 9, 4:29 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0c76ba76-7ca1-4490-acf7-a37cd7b469d4
> @p36g2000prp.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > thanks for info. Dealer said because we slapped wiper on windshiled
> > it's not covered.
>
> This is impossible to believe, frankly.
>
> Was the rubber blade attached, or did the steel arm itself slap the glass?
>
>
>
> > Amazingly, Elite glass in Denver wants $700 for a new windshield! Holy
> > crap. Still doing research though, obviously not gonna pay that.
>
> Problem is, you get what you pay for. Want rust around the pinchweld? Then
> go cheap.
>
> Plus, the car so new that the available glass is all OEM. Aftermarket
> hasn't got around to making glass for this car yet. $200 windshield jobs
> are thus unobtainable at this point.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/

I think it's a combination of a LONG windshield, and a slap on a
frigid morning. Anyone who lives in a cold area knows you slap your
blades on the windshield to get off the ice. My wife did that but she
picked an area too high on the windshiled, IMHO. She should have done
it at the base, not about 1 ft. from the base as she did.

I can't say it's defective, but can say it's a fragile design
probably. Very long windshield and I bet the thickness of that glass
is minimal. Add to it a cold morning and some ice on the wiper and
you're asking for trouble.

The good news is that I found a glass dealer who can replace for $250.

c

 

c <barneytoe@gmail.com> wrote in
news:800025ab-fe36-4198-a9c7-e2062dc3610b@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com:

> On Jan 9, 4:29 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:0c76ba76-7ca1-4490-acf7-a37cd7b469d
> 4
>> @p36g2000prp.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > thanks for info. Dealer said because we slapped wiper on
>> > windshiled it's not covered.
>>
>> This is impossible to believe, frankly.
>>
>> Was the rubber blade attached, or did the steel arm itself slap the
>> glass
> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> > Amazingly, Elite glass in Denver wants $700 for a new windshield!
>> > Holy crap. Still doing research though, obviously not gonna pay
>> > that.
>>
>> Problem is, you get what you pay for. Want rust around the pinchweld?
>> Then go cheap.
>>
>> Plus, the car so new that the available glass is all OEM. Aftermarket
>> hasn't got around to making glass for this car yet. $200 windshield
>> jobs are thus unobtainable at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> I think it's a combination of a LONG windshield, and a slap on a
> frigid morning.



No.



> Anyone who lives in a cold area knows you slap your
> blades on the windshield to get off the ice.



I live in the Canadian province of Ontario. I am EXTREMELY familiar with
ice on the wipers!




> My wife did that but she
> picked an area too high on the windshiled, IMHO. She should have done
> it at the base, not about 1 ft. from the base as she did.
>
> I can't say it's defective, but can say it's a fragile design
> probably.



No it's not. Honda's not stupid enough to make a windshield that's so
very fragile as to crack from the impact of a rubber wiper blade, no
matter where it hits on the glass.




> Very long windshield and I bet the thickness of that glass
> is minimal. Add to it a cold morning and some ice on the wiper and
> you're asking for trouble.
>
> The good news is that I found a glass dealer who can replace for $250.
>



Make sure these people cover /each and every/ nick they make in the
paint with their brush-on primer, otherwise you will have rust in the
frame in no time and your corrosion warranty will be invalid.

You DID read the corrosion warranty, did you not...?


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On Jan 12, 4:09 pm, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 4:29 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
>
>
> > c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0c76ba76-7ca1-4490-acf7-a37cd7b469d4
> > @p36g2000prp.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > thanks for info. Dealer said because we slapped wiper on windshiled
> > > it's not covered.
>
> > This is impossible to believe, frankly.
>
> > Was the rubber blade attached, or did the steel arm itself slap the glass?
>
> > > Amazingly, Elite glass in Denver wants $700 for a new windshield! Holy
> > > crap. Still doing research though, obviously not gonna pay that.
>
> > Problem is, you get what you pay for. Want rust around the pinchweld? Then
> > go cheap.
>
> > Plus, the car so new that the available glass is all OEM. Aftermarket
> > hasn't got around to making glass for this car yet. $200 windshield jobs
> > are thus unobtainable at this point.
>
> > --
> > Tegger
>
> > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> I think it's a combination of a LONG windshield, and a slap on a
> frigid morning. Anyone who lives in a cold area knows you slap your
> blades on the windshield to get off the ice. My wife did that but she
> picked an area too high on the windshiled, IMHO. She should have done
> it at the base, not about 1 ft. from the base as she did.
>
> I can't say it's defective, but can say it's a fragile design
> probably. Very long windshield and I bet the thickness of that glass
> is minimal. Add to it a cold morning and some ice on the wiper and
> you're asking for trouble.
>
> The good news is that I found a glass dealer who can replace for $250.
>
> c

Update, there is no after market windshield for the 09 Fit yet (as of
Jan 13, 09). So everyone has to buy from Honda and I can't find it for
cheper than $750!!!!

We're going to live with the crack and wait for after market to become
available.

c

 

c <barneytoe@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1745f8e8-e1da-4bc3-9f27-65464fc22480@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com:

>> On Jan 9, 4:29 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>

>>
>> > Plus, the car so new that the available glass is all OEM.
>> > Aftermarket hasn't got around to making glass for this car yet.
>> > $200 windshield jobs are thus unobtainable at this point.
>>
>
>
> Update, there is no after market windshield for the 09 Fit yet (as of
> Jan 13, 09).



Like I said above...



> So everyone has to buy from Honda and I can't find it for
> cheper than $750!!!!
>
> We're going to live with the crack and wait for after market to become
> available.
>



You'll be waiting at least a year, I'm sure.


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On Jan 9, 11:28 am, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 6:20 am, Dano58 <dan.dibi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 1:08 pm, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yesterday morning at 20 degrees my wife slapped the driver side wiper
> > > against the windshield to break off some ice and snow and we cracked
> > > the windshield!
>
> > > Anyone else had this problem? Seems like the long windshield design
> > > will be prone to cracks, etc.
>
> > > Other than that we're happy as larks with our Fit.
>
> > > c
>
> > I Googled it and came up with this -
>
> >http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f143540/0
>
> > Seems like there might be an issue with the windshields anyways. Of
> > course, in your case, you caused the crack so you probably don't have
> > a leg to stand on.
>
> > Dan D
> > '07 Ody EX
> > Central NJ USA
>
> thanks for info. Dealer said because we slapped wiper on windshiled
> it's not covered.
>
> Amazingly, Elite glass in Denver wants $700 for a new windshield! Holy
> crap. Still doing research though, obviously not gonna pay that.
>
> c

So take it to a different dealer and exercise your right to keep
silent. Just ask them to check it out. If they can't find an obvious
impact mark/chip on the glass they should replace it.

 

"e.meyer" <epmeyer50@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f65cdfb1-49d7-4d7f-a408-bee117549290@j38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 9, 11:28 am, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 6:20 am, Dano58 <dan.dibi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 1:08 pm, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yesterday morning at 20 degrees my wife slapped the driver side wiper
> > > against the windshield to break off some ice and snow and we cracked
> > > the windshield!
>
> > > Anyone else had this problem? Seems like the long windshield design
> > > will be prone to cracks, etc.
>
> > > Other than that we're happy as larks with our Fit.
>
> > > c
>
> > I Googled it and came up with this -
>
> >http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f143540/0
>
> > Seems like there might be an issue with the windshields anyways. Of
> > course, in your case, you caused the crack so you probably don't have
> > a leg to stand on.
>
> > Dan D
> > '07 Ody EX
> > Central NJ USA
>
> thanks for info. Dealer said because we slapped wiper on windshiled
> it's not covered.
>
> Amazingly, Elite glass in Denver wants $700 for a new windshield! Holy
> crap. Still doing research though, obviously not gonna pay that.
>
> c

So take it to a different dealer and exercise your right to keep
silent. Just ask them to check it out. If they can't find an obvious
impact mark/chip on the glass they should replace it.

Or ride behind some 18 wheelers until one of them kicks up a stone. Or park
in the middle of a bunch of kids throwing stones at each other.

 

Tegger wrote:

> c <barneytoe@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1745f8e8-e1da-4bc3-9f27-65464fc22480@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>>On Jan 9, 4:29 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>>
>
>
>>>>Plus, the car so new that the available glass is all OEM.
>>>>Aftermarket hasn't got around to making glass for this car yet.
>>>>$200 windshield jobs are thus unobtainable at this point.
>>>
>>
>>Update, there is no after market windshield for the 09 Fit yet (as of
>>Jan 13, 09).
>
>
>
>
> Like I said above...
>
>
>
>
>>So everyone has to buy from Honda and I can't find it for
>>cheper than $750!!!!
>>
>>We're going to live with the crack and wait for after market to become
>>available.
>>
>
>
>
>
> You'll be waiting at least a year, I'm sure.
>
>


Heh... Here in Texas, folks drive for years with cracked windshields
where inspection requirements are lax. OTOH, they' fail you if there is
so much as a chip in a sealed beam.

Of course, some states don't allow such so they will fail inspection.

Howz da weathah up thar?

JT

 

Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in news:Qkbbl.284898
$Mh5.195667@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>

>>
>>
>> You'll be waiting at least a year, I'm sure.
>>
>>
>
>
> Heh... Here in Texas, folks drive for years with cracked windshields
> where inspection requirements are lax.




My province doesn't have an annual inspection, so you can drive around
forever like that if you want. I see few cracked windshields in spite of
that; people seem to fix them quickly on their own.




> OTOH, they' fail you if there is
> so much as a chip in a sealed beam.
>
> Of course, some states don't allow such so they will fail inspection.
>
> Howz da weathah up thar?
>



Bloodly cold. Supposed to go down to -4F overnight. Sucks.



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Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
news:Xns9B92E0202D0A4tegger@208.90.168.18:

> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:Qkbbl.284898 $Mh5.195667@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
..
>>
>> Howz da weathah up thar?
>>
>
>
>
> Bloodly cold. Supposed to go down to -4F overnight. Sucks.
>
>



6:07AM: Thermometer says -15F.

Weather channel says it's going to WARM UP to -4F.

Blah.


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"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> 6:07AM: Thermometer says -15F.
>
> Weather channel says it's going to WARM UP to -4F.
>
> Blah.
>
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>

Durned global warming! ;-) Although I hear the global warming model - and
Madame Zindar on the outskirts of town - predicted that.

 

On Jan 13, 5:47 pm, "MLD" <M...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "e.meyer" <epmeye...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f65cdfb1-49d7-4d7f-a408-bee117549290@j38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 9, 11:28 am, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 6:20 am, Dano58 <dan.dibi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 6, 1:08 pm, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Yesterday morning at 20 degrees my wife slapped the driver side wiper
> > > > against the windshield to break off some ice and snow and we cracked
> > > > the windshield!
>
> > > > Anyone else had this problem? Seems like the long windshield design
> > > > will be prone to cracks, etc.
>
> > > > Other than that we're happy as larks with our Fit.
>
> > > > c
>
> > > I Googled it and came up with this -
>
> > >http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f143540/0
>
> > > Seems like there might be an issue with the windshields anyways. Of
> > > course, in your case, you caused the crack so you probably don't have
> > > a leg to stand on.
>
> > > Dan D
> > > '07 Ody EX
> > > Central NJ USA
>
> > thanks for info. Dealer said because we slapped wiper on windshiled
> > it's not covered.
>
> > Amazingly, Elite glass in Denver wants $700 for a new windshield! Holy
> > crap. Still doing research though, obviously not gonna pay that.
>
> > c
>
> So take it to a different dealer and exercise your right to keep
> silent. Just ask them to check it out. If they can't find an obvious
> impact mark/chip on the glass they should replace it.
>
> Or ride behind some 18 wheelers until one of them kicks up a stone. Orpark
> in the middle of a bunch of kids throwing stones at each other.

Huh? Either you don't understand what I'm trying to say here or
you're just a jerk.

The point is by telling the dealer they hit it with the wipers the OP
gave them an out to deny the warranty claim. Go to a different dealer
and just ask them to adjust the windshield without making any
explanation and they probably will do it.

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B933E6CF57E4tegger@208.90.168.18...
>
>>
>>
>>6:07AM: Thermometer says -15F.
>>
>>Weather channel says it's going to WARM UP to -4F.
>>
>>Blah.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Tegger
>>
>>The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>>www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>
>
> Durned global warming! ;-) Although I hear the global warming model - and
> Madame Zindar on the outskirts of town - predicted that.
>


Yeah... Where the hell is Al Gore(d) when you need 'im?

<G>

JT

 

On Jan 14, 7:42 am, "Michael Pardee" <n...@null.org> wrote:
>
> Durned global warming! ;-) Although I hear the global warming model - and
> Madame Zindar on the outskirts of town - predicted that.

It's not called 'global warming' any more - now they call it 'climate
change' so they can include events like the deep freeze that we're
experiencing now and not change their charts and still blame 'man'
exclusively....

Dan D
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA