On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:58:58 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Consumer Reports admitted a mis-calculation for the Prius and probably the
> new Civic would be a reasonable choice too.

I forgot: Is Accord Hybrid even available with stick?
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Charles Lasitter wrote:
> Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features
> listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ...
>
> Traction Control
> Stability Control
> Emergency Braking Assistance
> Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
>

I believe that the Acura TSX includes all of those features, and it is
available with either a 6-speed manual or 5-speed automatic.

Anyone looking at well equipped Camrys or Accords should at least check
out the TSX to see if it is the best choice for you. Acura dealers are
discounting TSX pretty agressively while the new Camry, especially with
desireable options, can be harder to find a good discount on due to it's
newness.

John

 

Charles Lasitter wrote:
> Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features
> listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ...
>
> Traction Control
> Stability Control
> Emergency Braking Assistance
> Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
>

I believe that the Acura TSX includes all of those features, and it is
available with either a 6-speed manual or 5-speed automatic.

Anyone looking at well equipped Camrys or Accords should at least check
out the TSX to see if it is the best choice for you. Acura dealers are
discounting TSX pretty agressively while the new Camry, especially with
desireable options, can be harder to find a good discount on due to it's
newness.

John

 

Charles Lasitter wrote:
> Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features
> listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ...
>
> Traction Control
> Stability Control
> Emergency Braking Assistance
> Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
>

I believe that the Acura TSX includes all of those features, and it is
available with either a 6-speed manual or 5-speed automatic.

Anyone looking at well equipped Camrys or Accords should at least check
out the TSX to see if it is the best choice for you. Acura dealers are
discounting TSX pretty agressively while the new Camry, especially with
desireable options, can be harder to find a good discount on due to it's
newness.

John

 

"Dr Nick" <Drnick5@***.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
> news:iugs42p9rgq55i7dbi9qu42b98idf3gvf7@4ax.com...
>> Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features
>> listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ...
>>
>> Traction Control
>> Stability Control
>> Emergency Braking Assistance
>> Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
>>
>> (newer Honda LXs have ...)
>> Rear disks
>> DRL
>>
>> I decided to take a hard look at the Camry LE, versus what I'd have to
>> buy from Honda to get the features above. I already knew I couldn't get
>> the features in any LX / Special Edition / Special Value models with a
>> stick, and because I like a manual transmission, I'd have to go up to
>> the the EX with V6 and 6M.
>>
>> Aside from power and handling, the Accord EX and Camry LE are very
>> different in character because of differences between the two in
>> handling, economy, convenience, and comfort, but controlling for as many
>> factors as possible, the Camry i4/5M LE looks like a heck of a value.
>>
>> Beginning in 2007, Toyota includes so many of these features standard
>> for the Camry that the single "VS" (vehicle stability / traction) option
>> for $650 gets you all the safety features above.
>>
>> That means if you can live with an i4/5M versus a V6/6M,
>> your MSRP savings for this level of safety is:
>>
>> $27,850 V6/6M Honda EX
>> -20,680 i4/5M Camry (with VS option)
>> ------
>> $ 7,170 or, 34.7 percent less for the Camry LE.
>>
>> And if you really have to have the extra power of the V6/6A, the Camry
>> still wins as the 3.5L produces HP/Torque comparisons of:
>>
>> 268HP/248FT-LB, versus
>> 244HP/211FT-LB for the Accord EX V6/6M
>>
>> And better fuel economy, and at MSRP of $24,270 with
>> the VS option group included, is still $3,580 less than
>> the EX Accord.
>>
>> But this is a digression, since you can't get the V6 Camry with a stick,
>> (which I want), and don't want the extra horses if it means giving up up
>> the stick. (If you like automatics, this could an even sweeter deal for
>> you ...)
>>
>
> The only way I'd give up my stick is if my knees can't physically push
> down a clutch pedal anymore, haha. as for the safety features, I was
> suprised honda dind't offer it on the I4. I lot of peopel have made
> mention that it's not really needed with an I4, but living in new england,
> I would of liked it. that being said. I still managed to get an I4 EX
> manual with leather and NAVI for under 25k. It wasn't too bad in the snow
> either (although we got lucky with a pretty mild winter) I took a look at
> toyotas site, and I didn't see anyway to get a camry with navigation in a
> manual transmission.

Nice to see people still like to drive a stick shift. I've always loved the
Honda (and Acura) manual transmission. Had an '89 Prelude Si stick shift
and now have an '05 Accord LX stick shift. The traction control would have
been nice but I've lived without it this long. Then again the whole EX
package offers nice options for about 2k more. Test drove the Civic EX but
got a really good deal on my Accord. Paid $16,945 + tax & tags.

Trying to stay on topic, much of it depends on whether you like driving the
Accord or Camry more. If you want a smoother softer ride, the Camry is the
way to go. If you want something that is more of the driver's car w/road
feel, get the Accord. Both are by no means sports cars but each gives
value, depending on personal preference. Can't go wrong with either.

-Dave

 

"Dr Nick" <Drnick5@***.net> wrote in message
news:X2x3g.11$ZF.5@dukeread10...
>
> "Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
> news:iugs42p9rgq55i7dbi9qu42b98idf3gvf7@4ax.com...
>> Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features
>> listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ...
>>
>> Traction Control
>> Stability Control
>> Emergency Braking Assistance
>> Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
>>
>> (newer Honda LXs have ...)
>> Rear disks
>> DRL
>>
>> I decided to take a hard look at the Camry LE, versus what I'd have to
>> buy from Honda to get the features above. I already knew I couldn't get
>> the features in any LX / Special Edition / Special Value models with a
>> stick, and because I like a manual transmission, I'd have to go up to
>> the the EX with V6 and 6M.
>>
>> Aside from power and handling, the Accord EX and Camry LE are very
>> different in character because of differences between the two in
>> handling, economy, convenience, and comfort, but controlling for as many
>> factors as possible, the Camry i4/5M LE looks like a heck of a value.
>>
>> Beginning in 2007, Toyota includes so many of these features standard
>> for the Camry that the single "VS" (vehicle stability / traction) option
>> for $650 gets you all the safety features above.
>>
>> That means if you can live with an i4/5M versus a V6/6M,
>> your MSRP savings for this level of safety is:
>>
>> $27,850 V6/6M Honda EX
>> -20,680 i4/5M Camry (with VS option)
>> ------
>> $ 7,170 or, 34.7 percent less for the Camry LE.
>>
>> And if you really have to have the extra power of the V6/6A, the Camry
>> still wins as the 3.5L produces HP/Torque comparisons of:
>>
>> 268HP/248FT-LB, versus
>> 244HP/211FT-LB for the Accord EX V6/6M
>>
>> And better fuel economy, and at MSRP of $24,270 with
>> the VS option group included, is still $3,580 less than
>> the EX Accord.
>>
>> But this is a digression, since you can't get the V6 Camry with a stick,
>> (which I want), and don't want the extra horses if it means giving up up
>> the stick. (If you like automatics, this could an even sweeter deal for
>> you ...)
>>
>
> The only way I'd give up my stick is if my knees can't physically push
> down a clutch pedal anymore, haha. as for the safety features, I was
> suprised honda dind't offer it on the I4. I lot of peopel have made
> mention that it's not really needed with an I4, but living in new england,
> I would of liked it. that being said. I still managed to get an I4 EX
> manual with leather and NAVI for under 25k. It wasn't too bad in the snow
> either (although we got lucky with a pretty mild winter) I took a look at
> toyotas site, and I didn't see anyway to get a camry with navigation in a
> manual transmission.

Nice to see people still like to drive a stick shift. I've always loved the
Honda (and Acura) manual transmission. Had an '89 Prelude Si stick shift
and now have an '05 Accord LX stick shift. The traction control would have
been nice but I've lived without it this long. Then again the whole EX
package offers nice options for about 2k more. Test drove the Civic EX but
got a really good deal on my Accord. Paid $16,945 + tax & tags.

Trying to stay on topic, much of it depends on whether you like driving the
Accord or Camry more. If you want a smoother softer ride, the Camry is the
way to go. If you want something that is more of the driver's car w/road
feel, get the Accord. Both are by no means sports cars but each gives
value, depending on personal preference. Can't go wrong with either.

-Dave

 

"Dr Nick" <Drnick5@***.net> wrote in message
news:X2x3g.11$ZF.5@dukeread10...
>
> "Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
> news:iugs42p9rgq55i7dbi9qu42b98idf3gvf7@4ax.com...
>> Because of my recent enhanced upderstanding of the safety features
>> listed below, and how my '05 Accord LX doesn't have them ...
>>
>> Traction Control
>> Stability Control
>> Emergency Braking Assistance
>> Electronic Brakeforce Distribution
>>
>> (newer Honda LXs have ...)
>> Rear disks
>> DRL
>>
>> I decided to take a hard look at the Camry LE, versus what I'd have to
>> buy from Honda to get the features above. I already knew I couldn't get
>> the features in any LX / Special Edition / Special Value models with a
>> stick, and because I like a manual transmission, I'd have to go up to
>> the the EX with V6 and 6M.
>>
>> Aside from power and handling, the Accord EX and Camry LE are very
>> different in character because of differences between the two in
>> handling, economy, convenience, and comfort, but controlling for as many
>> factors as possible, the Camry i4/5M LE looks like a heck of a value.
>>
>> Beginning in 2007, Toyota includes so many of these features standard
>> for the Camry that the single "VS" (vehicle stability / traction) option
>> for $650 gets you all the safety features above.
>>
>> That means if you can live with an i4/5M versus a V6/6M,
>> your MSRP savings for this level of safety is:
>>
>> $27,850 V6/6M Honda EX
>> -20,680 i4/5M Camry (with VS option)
>> ------
>> $ 7,170 or, 34.7 percent less for the Camry LE.
>>
>> And if you really have to have the extra power of the V6/6A, the Camry
>> still wins as the 3.5L produces HP/Torque comparisons of:
>>
>> 268HP/248FT-LB, versus
>> 244HP/211FT-LB for the Accord EX V6/6M
>>
>> And better fuel economy, and at MSRP of $24,270 with
>> the VS option group included, is still $3,580 less than
>> the EX Accord.
>>
>> But this is a digression, since you can't get the V6 Camry with a stick,
>> (which I want), and don't want the extra horses if it means giving up up
>> the stick. (If you like automatics, this could an even sweeter deal for
>> you ...)
>>
>
> The only way I'd give up my stick is if my knees can't physically push
> down a clutch pedal anymore, haha. as for the safety features, I was
> suprised honda dind't offer it on the I4. I lot of peopel have made
> mention that it's not really needed with an I4, but living in new england,
> I would of liked it. that being said. I still managed to get an I4 EX
> manual with leather and NAVI for under 25k. It wasn't too bad in the snow
> either (although we got lucky with a pretty mild winter) I took a look at
> toyotas site, and I didn't see anyway to get a camry with navigation in a
> manual transmission.

Nice to see people still like to drive a stick shift. I've always loved the
Honda (and Acura) manual transmission. Had an '89 Prelude Si stick shift
and now have an '05 Accord LX stick shift. The traction control would have
been nice but I've lived without it this long. Then again the whole EX
package offers nice options for about 2k more. Test drove the Civic EX but
got a really good deal on my Accord. Paid $16,945 + tax & tags.

Trying to stay on topic, much of it depends on whether you like driving the
Accord or Camry more. If you want a smoother softer ride, the Camry is the
way to go. If you want something that is more of the driver's car w/road
feel, get the Accord. Both are by no means sports cars but each gives
value, depending on personal preference. Can't go wrong with either.

-Dave

 

Nope and it doesn't pay for itself as a hybrid either.


"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
news:1i9t42teok8e5u6htgm23ckglhsifld0e4@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:58:58 GMT, "Art"
> <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Consumer Reports admitted a mis-calculation for the Prius and probably
>> the
>> new Civic would be a reasonable choice too.
>
> I forgot: Is Accord Hybrid even available with stick?
> +-----------------------------------------+
> | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping |
> | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
> | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 |
> +-----------------------------------------+

 

Nope and it doesn't pay for itself as a hybrid either.


"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
news:1i9t42teok8e5u6htgm23ckglhsifld0e4@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:58:58 GMT, "Art"
> <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Consumer Reports admitted a mis-calculation for the Prius and probably
>> the
>> new Civic would be a reasonable choice too.
>
> I forgot: Is Accord Hybrid even available with stick?
> +-----------------------------------------+
> | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping |
> | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
> | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 |
> +-----------------------------------------+

 

Nope and it doesn't pay for itself as a hybrid either.


"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
news:1i9t42teok8e5u6htgm23ckglhsifld0e4@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:58:58 GMT, "Art"
> <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Consumer Reports admitted a mis-calculation for the Prius and probably
>> the
>> new Civic would be a reasonable choice too.
>
> I forgot: Is Accord Hybrid even available with stick?
> +-----------------------------------------+
> | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping |
> | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
> | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 |
> +-----------------------------------------+

 

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:28:50 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I believe that the Acura TSX includes all of those features, and it is
> available with either a 6-speed manual or 5-speed automatic.

It does have an i4/6M configuration, and this engine variant puts out
205hp. Still not the 268hp of the 3.5L V6 Camry, which gets higher fuel
economy. Go figure.

> Acura dealers are discounting TSX pretty agressively while the
> new Camry, especially with desireable options, can be harder to
> find a good discount on due to it's newness.

Edmunds reports MSRP w/dest of $28,505 and a TMV price of $27,652, still
$4-7k more than a Camry LE. But it does have the i4/6M, and I'm
guessing that the ride comfort / cabin noise compares favorably, with
better handling.

Comes down to the money and how badly you want the "Acura" label, which
we know that anywhere else in the world is just a Honda.
+-----------------------------------------+
| Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping |
| 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
| cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 |
+-----------------------------------------+

 

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:28:50 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I believe that the Acura TSX includes all of those features, and it is
> available with either a 6-speed manual or 5-speed automatic.

It does have an i4/6M configuration, and this engine variant puts out
205hp. Still not the 268hp of the 3.5L V6 Camry, which gets higher fuel
economy. Go figure.

> Acura dealers are discounting TSX pretty agressively while the
> new Camry, especially with desireable options, can be harder to
> find a good discount on due to it's newness.

Edmunds reports MSRP w/dest of $28,505 and a TMV price of $27,652, still
$4-7k more than a Camry LE. But it does have the i4/6M, and I'm
guessing that the ride comfort / cabin noise compares favorably, with
better handling.

Comes down to the money and how badly you want the "Acura" label, which
we know that anywhere else in the world is just a Honda.
+-----------------------------------------+
| Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping |
| 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
| cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 |
+-----------------------------------------+

 

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:28:50 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I believe that the Acura TSX includes all of those features, and it is
> available with either a 6-speed manual or 5-speed automatic.

It does have an i4/6M configuration, and this engine variant puts out
205hp. Still not the 268hp of the 3.5L V6 Camry, which gets higher fuel
economy. Go figure.

> Acura dealers are discounting TSX pretty agressively while the
> new Camry, especially with desireable options, can be harder to
> find a good discount on due to it's newness.

Edmunds reports MSRP w/dest of $28,505 and a TMV price of $27,652, still
$4-7k more than a Camry LE. But it does have the i4/6M, and I'm
guessing that the ride comfort / cabin noise compares favorably, with
better handling.

Comes down to the money and how badly you want the "Acura" label, which
we know that anywhere else in the world is just a Honda.
+-----------------------------------------+
| Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping |
| 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
| cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 |
+-----------------------------------------+

 

Charles Lasitter wrote:
> snip
>
> Edmunds reports MSRP w/dest of $28,505 and a TMV price of $27,652, still
> $4-7k more than a Camry LE. But it does have the i4/6M, and I'm
> guessing that the ride comfort / cabin noise compares favorably, with
> better handling.
>
Once the price gets near $30K and sport enters into the equation
there's no sense looking at modified FWD grocery getters when great RWD
performance sedans like the G35, IS 250 and 3-series are available.
IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
they're over $25K.

 

Charles Lasitter wrote:
> snip
>
> Edmunds reports MSRP w/dest of $28,505 and a TMV price of $27,652, still
> $4-7k more than a Camry LE. But it does have the i4/6M, and I'm
> guessing that the ride comfort / cabin noise compares favorably, with
> better handling.
>
Once the price gets near $30K and sport enters into the equation
there's no sense looking at modified FWD grocery getters when great RWD
performance sedans like the G35, IS 250 and 3-series are available.
IMHO, Accords and Camrys are good values at around $20K but not when
they're over $25K.