Dave L wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:AlVij.7280$Ue3.3904@trnddc07...
>> Dave L wrote:
>> <...>
>>
>>> Hey - I'm less than an hour away from D.C..... Fun place to visit
>>> though!
>> I taught in Harlem, NYC, for over a year. Now it takes a lot to get me
>> upset.
>
> I'll bet! I go up to NYC sometimes to visit relatives, but not in Harlem.
> Never been there but always pictured it as a rough place. Then again I
> thought the same of the Bronx until I was at a restaurant in a really nice
> section of the Bronx. Forgot what it was called..

Harlem is an up and coming community. It is being gentrified. Harlem and
parts of the Bronx are the closest communities in NYC to downtown
Manhattan that can be redeveloped into better housing. There are some
really nice areas of the Bronx. Harlem is turning into a nice shopping
district on 125th St., the main east-west road, where the Famous Appollo
theater is. A bunch of stores have moved in, including an H&M store (I
think a chain of clothing stores) & a Magic Johnson Theater. A Trader
Joes is coming, too (there's one in Union Square and one in Brooklyn
too). And there are some good schools there (some NYC dept. of ed
schools and some are charter schools) and some bad schools. In addition,
Columbia University is there and City College (the public college with
the most Nobles) is there as well. Sadly, the poor kids there are
treated as throw-away kids by the city when it comes to education (the
teachers' union doesn't do much to help either).

>> It's been many years since I was to Wash., D.C., but I really enjoyed the
>> museums there.
>
> They are nice. I've always like the Air and Space Museum and the Natural
> History Museum. Took my bike down there and rode with friends along the
> Potomac, Georgetown and into D.C.

In my college years, I went there every year or so. Maybe I will try the
bike thing sometime.

Jeff

> -Dave
>
>> Jeff
>>
>
>

 

I think this topic deserves the "OT" prefix in front of it, wouldn't you ?
whew



"Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> the Psalms, says that Esdras arranged the
> Psalms in order.
>
> The origin of this tradition comes from the 14th chapter of the fourth
> book
> of Esdras. Deus glorificatus est, et Scripturae vere divinae creditae
> sunt,
> omnibus eandem et eisdem verbis et eisdem nominibus recitantibus ab initio
> usque ad finem, uti et praesentes gentes cognoscerent quoniam per
> inspirationem Dei interpretatae sunt Scripturae, et non esset mirabile
> Deum
> hoc in eis operatum: quando in ea captivitate populi quae facta est a
> Nabuchodonosor, corruptis scripturis et post 70 annos Judaeis
> descendentibus
> in regionem suam, et post deinde temporibus Artaxerxis Persarum regis,
> inspiravit Esdrae sacerdoti tribus Levi praeteritorum prophetarum omnes
> rememorare sermones, et restituere populo eam legem quae data est per
> Moysen.[114]
>
> 633. Against the story in Esdras, 2 Maccab. 2.; Josephus, Antiquities, II,
> i.--Cyrus took occasion from the prophecy of Isaiah to release the people.
> The Jews held their property in peace under Cyrus in Babylon; hence they
> could well have the law.
>
> Josephus, in the whole history of Esdras, does not say one word about this
> restoration. 2 Kings 17:27.
>
> 634. If the story in Esdras is credible, then it must be believ
>
>

 

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Wxfjj.11448$cz3.5883@trnddc06...
> Dave L wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:AlVij.7280$Ue3.3904@trnddc07...
>>> Dave L wrote:
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>> Hey - I'm less than an hour away from D.C..... Fun place to visit
>>>> though!
>>> I taught in Harlem, NYC, for over a year. Now it takes a lot to get me
>>> upset.
>>
>> I'll bet! I go up to NYC sometimes to visit relatives, but not in
>> Harlem. Never been there but always pictured it as a rough place. Then
>> again I thought the same of the Bronx until I was at a restaurant in a
>> really nice section of the Bronx. Forgot what it was called..
>
> Harlem is an up and coming community. It is being gentrified. Harlem and
> parts of the Bronx are the closest communities in NYC to downtown
> Manhattan that can be redeveloped into better housing. There are some
> really nice areas of the Bronx. Harlem is turning into a nice shopping
> district on 125th St., the main east-west road, where the Famous Appollo
> theater is. A bunch of stores have moved in, including an H&M store (I
> think a chain of clothing stores) & a Magic Johnson Theater. A Trader Joes
> is coming, too (there's one in Union Square and one in Brooklyn too). And
> there are some good schools there (some NYC dept. of ed schools and some
> are charter schools) and some bad schools. In addition, Columbia
> University is there and City College (the public college with the most
> Nobles) is there as well. Sadly, the poor kids there are treated as
> throw-away kids by the city when it comes to education (the teachers'
> union doesn't do much to help either).

Yup, you're much more familiar with New York than I! I do enjoy it when I
ride up there to visit. I'm normally on Staten Island, Brooklyn or
Manhattan. Sometimes in Queens and the Bronx if I'm up there with friends
visiting. I wouldn't even begin to start naming stores and their locations
there! I think the area I was thinking of is called City Island, in the
Bronx.

>>> It's been many years since I was to Wash., D.C., but I really enjoyed
>>> the museums there.
>>
>> They are nice. I've always like the Air and Space Museum and the Natural
>> History Museum. Took my bike down there and rode with friends along the
>> Potomac, Georgetown and into D.C.
>
> In my college years, I went there every year or so. Maybe I will try the
> bike thing sometime.
>
> Jeff

If you don't live far, it's worth the day trip. More fun if you go with
others.

-Dave

 

Well yeah, I totally agree. However it was not me. I wouldn't even have
seen what was typed had you not replied to it. Must have been filtered out.
Check the header - I'm sure it won't match mine. I heard someone is out
doing some spoofing..

-Dave

"Mike W" <mrvischt@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4wjj.7553$U4.2177@trndny01...
>I think this topic deserves the "OT" prefix in front of it, wouldn't you ?
> whew
>
>
>
> "Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:nakdbefCL87d7mDcbO9aeNEC_ugufH3c@comcast.com. ..
>> the Psalms, says that Esdras arranged the
>> Psalms in order.
>>
>> The origin of this tradition comes from the 14th chapter of the fourth
>> book
>> of Esdras. Deus glorificatus est, et Scripturae vere divinae creditae
>> sunt,
>> omnibus eandem et eisdem verbis et eisdem nominibus recitantibus ab
>> initio
>> usque ad finem, uti et praesentes gentes cognoscerent quoniam per
>> inspirationem Dei interpretatae sunt Scripturae, et non esset mirabile
>> Deum
>> hoc in eis operatum: quando in ea captivitate populi quae facta est a
>> Nabuchodonosor, corruptis scripturis et post 70 annos Judaeis
>> descendentibus
>> in regionem suam, et post deinde temporibus Artaxerxis Persarum regis,
>> inspiravit Esdrae sacerdoti tribus Levi praeteritorum prophetarum omnes
>> rememorare sermones, et restituere populo eam legem quae data est per
>> Moysen.[114]
>>
>> 633. Against the story in Esdras, 2 Maccab. 2.; Josephus, Antiquities,
>> II,
>> i.--Cyrus took occasion from the prophecy of Isaiah to release the
>> people.
>> The Jews held their property in peace under Cyrus in Babylon; hence they
>> could well have the law.
>>
>> Josephus, in the whole history of Esdras, does not say one word about
>> this
>> restoration. 2 Kings 17:27.
>>
>> 634. If the story in Esdras is credible, then it must be believ
>>
>>
>
>

 

"Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a8idnZVtTpVH8hDanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Dave and Trudy" <dtdodson@acsalaska.net> wrote in message
> news:478c8e36@news.acsalaska.net...
>>
///snipped///
>> I believe you are mistaken. A "Limited Lifetime Warranty", at least for
>> Sears Diehard Gold is . The first 36 months is a totally free
>> replacement, followed by prorated coverage, which is based on the
>> percentage of use that you have gotten from the battery. At least that
>> was the warranty when I worked there several years ago. BTW Sears Diehard
>> Gold and Interstate are both manufactured by Johnson Controls to
>> specifications set by the retailer.
>>
>> DaveD
>
> I didn't know Interstate was also manufactured by Johnson Controls. I
> remember Die Hard was, and they switched to Exide. Quality went down and
> they went back to Johnson Controls...
>
> -Dave
>
I believe you are spot on. The last change back to all Johnson Controls
products took place after I left Sears. While I was working there, Johnson
Controls made all of the DieHard Gold batteries but the DieHard Silver and
the bottom line (I dont recall what they were named) were built by Exide.
Some of the Exide batteries were good, some were so-so, and some were less
than satisfactory, if you know what I mean.

DaveD

 

"Dave and Trudy" <dtdodson@acsalaska.net> wrote in message
news:478f1f12@news.acsalaska.net...
>
> "Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a8idnZVtTpVH8hDanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>> "Dave and Trudy" <dtdodson@acsalaska.net> wrote in message
>> news:478c8e36@news.acsalaska.net...
>>>
> ///snipped///
>>> I believe you are mistaken. A "Limited Lifetime Warranty", at least for
>>> Sears Diehard Gold is . The first 36 months is a totally free
>>> replacement, followed by prorated coverage, which is based on the
>>> percentage of use that you have gotten from the battery. At least that
>>> was the warranty when I worked there several years ago. BTW Sears
>>> Diehard Gold and Interstate are both manufactured by Johnson Controls to
>>> specifications set by the retailer.
>>>
>>> DaveD
>>
>> I didn't know Interstate was also manufactured by Johnson Controls. I
>> remember Die Hard was, and they switched to Exide. Quality went down and
>> they went back to Johnson Controls...
>>
>> -Dave
>>
> I believe you are spot on. The last change back to all Johnson Controls
> products took place after I left Sears. While I was working there, Johnson
> Controls made all of the DieHard Gold batteries but the DieHard Silver and
> the bottom line (I dont recall what they were named) were built by Exide.
> Some of the Exide batteries were good, some were so-so, and some were less
> than satisfactory, if you know what I mean.
>
> DaveD

Yup. If you get a Sears battery, make sure it's Die Hard Gold!

-Dave

 

"Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EtWdndTdV93NmQ3anZ2dnUVZ_t6onZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> ///snipped///
>>> I believe you are spot on. The last change back to all Johnson Controls
>> products took place after I left Sears. While I was working there,
>> Johnson Controls made all of the DieHard Gold batteries but the DieHard
>> Silver and the bottom line (I dont recall what they were named) were
>> built by Exide. Some of the Exide batteries were good, some were so-so,
>> and some were less than satisfactory, if you know what I mean.
>>
>> DaveD
>
> Yup. If you get a Sears battery, make sure it's Die Hard Gold!
>
> -Dave

There was quite a difference in the warrantees also. An amusing aside... A
gentleman came into the store one day with a Sears battery that was in a
1957 Ford that he purchased in 1959 and drove it to Alaska. The car had
given up the ghost at some point in time after his arrival in Alaska and the
battery had been residing in a Case frontloader/backhoe combination since
that time to present (this was in 1997). The battery at long last had
failed. It was dead and would not take a charge. He (jokingly) asked if
there was still any warranty left on the battery. I checked, knowing full
well what the answer would be, but gave him a 10% discount just on general
principles.... So they did build some good ones even back then....

DaveD


>
>

 

>> I'd go to the dealer and have them test it. If it is really bad (or, the
>> charging system), they'll tell you. Sounds like you have about a month
>> and a half. I bet you can arrange a time before the warranty expires.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Appointment made for Saturday morning. Hope they don't tell me everything
> is fine and it's still within spec...
>
> -Dave
>
>
>>> Isn't this a little premature for a battery to start going bad? What is
>>> recommended if I decide to replace it? I used to always go Die Hard
>>> Gold for replacements but not sure if they're still the best or one of
>>> the better ones. Any ideas or suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Dave

Just got back from the dealer a short while ago. They said the battery is
actually fine. It's rated at 410 CCA (cold cranking amps) anb is currently
reading 377 CCA. with 12.62V. They gave a printout graph showing where the
battery is in relation to needing replacement. Let's say the graph is
splint into thirds, so it is reading about 1/3 down. Once it gets to 2/3
down, then it needs replacing.

While there, I was looking at the Civics and the new Accords. I actually
liked the size of the Civic more and the Accords are just getting too big!
Even wish my '05 was closer to the size of previous generation Accords..

So everything still works fine now, and I'll keep chugging along!

Thanks to everyone who responded,
-Dave

 

"Dave and Trudy" <dtdodson@acsalaska.net> wrote in message
news:479080c2@news.acsalaska.net...
>
> "Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:EtWdndTdV93NmQ3anZ2dnUVZ_t6onZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> ///snipped///
>>>> I believe you are spot on. The last change back to all Johnson Controls
>>> products took place after I left Sears. While I was working there,
>>> Johnson Controls made all of the DieHard Gold batteries but the DieHard
>>> Silver and the bottom line (I dont recall what they were named) were
>>> built by Exide. Some of the Exide batteries were good, some were so-so,
>>> and some were less than satisfactory, if you know what I mean.
>>>
>>> DaveD
>>
>> Yup. If you get a Sears battery, make sure it's Die Hard Gold!
>>
>> -Dave
>
> There was quite a difference in the warrantees also. An amusing aside... A
> gentleman came into the store one day with a Sears battery that was in a
> 1957 Ford that he purchased in 1959 and drove it to Alaska. The car had
> given up the ghost at some point in time after his arrival in Alaska and
> the battery had been residing in a Case frontloader/backhoe combination
> since that time to present (this was in 1997). The battery at long last
> had failed. It was dead and would not take a charge. He (jokingly) asked
> if there was still any warranty left on the battery. I checked, knowing
> full well what the answer would be, but gave him a 10% discount just on
> general principles.... So they did build some good ones even back then....
>
> DaveD

Holy cow! A 38 year old car battery??? It's got to be a record. Would
have been a great advertising tool for Sears batteries..

-Dave

 

Dave L wrote:
>>> I'd go to the dealer and have them test it. If it is really bad (or, the
>>> charging system), they'll tell you. Sounds like you have about a month
>>> and a half. I bet you can arrange a time before the warranty expires.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>> Appointment made for Saturday morning. Hope they don't tell me everything
>> is fine and it's still within spec...
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
>>>> Isn't this a little premature for a battery to start going bad? What is
>>>> recommended if I decide to replace it? I used to always go Die Hard
>>>> Gold for replacements but not sure if they're still the best or one of
>>>> the better ones. Any ideas or suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Dave
>
> Just got back from the dealer a short while ago. They said the battery is
> actually fine. It's rated at 410 CCA (cold cranking amps) anb is currently
> reading 377 CCA. with 12.62V. They gave a printout graph showing where the
> battery is in relation to needing replacement. Let's say the graph is
> splint into thirds, so it is reading about 1/3 down. Once it gets to 2/3
> down, then it needs replacing.
>
> While there, I was looking at the Civics and the new Accords. I actually
> liked the size of the Civic more and the Accords are just getting too big!
> Even wish my '05 was closer to the size of previous generation Accords..
>
> So everything still works fine now, and I'll keep chugging along!
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded,
> -Dave

Well, when it comes times to replace the Accord, and cars keep getting
bigger, you'll be wanting the car the size of the Fit, which will by
then be the size of the Civic. Of course, there will be a new small car
to replace the Fit.

However, with the high prices of gas and the CAFE requirements, I am
wondering whether or not the size creap will stop, and cars will remain
the same size from generation to generation.

We'll see (I hope I live long enough, but I don't have any plans of
dying soon).

Jeff

 

"Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote

> Just got back from the dealer a short while ago. They said the battery is
> actually fine. It's rated at 410 CCA (cold cranking amps) anb is
> currently reading 377 CCA. with 12.62V. They gave a printout graph
> showing where the battery is in relation to needing replacement. Let's
> say the graph is splint into thirds, so it is reading about 1/3 down.
> Once it gets to 2/3 down, then it needs replacing.
>
> While there, I was looking at the Civics and the new Accords. I actually
> liked the size of the Civic more and the Accords are just getting too big!
> Even wish my '05 was closer to the size of previous generation Accords..
>
> So everything still works fine now, and I'll keep chugging along!
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded,
> -Dave

Cool the battery is okay.

About the Accord's new size....I am happy as hell with it, and think it
drives and feels superb. I am glad its a little bigger, especially when
driving on not so pristine road conditions...handles bumps and potholes the
best of any Accord I have ever driven, starting with the models in the 80s
to my own 1990 Accord EX Coupe to all the 19945 models to the 2007 models.

The new Accord is just awesome. I wish I would have gotten a stick shift,
even if it does mean more pain in the *** shifting here in NYC
traffic...wonderful new engines on my 2008 Accord EX 4-cyl..

And its not as "big" as a Chevy Impala, for example....so its not *that*
big..still feels compact to me...thing that takes getting used to is when I
am parking..only then does its larger size become apparent to
me...bah....can't have everything says I...so can't have both small size
like the 1990-1994 model Accords *AND* make it larger ( to make it ride and
handle more like a BMW, for example )....everything's a trade-off.

Peace,
Polfus

 

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:krqkj.11196$LN4.5934@trnddc07...
> Dave L wrote:
>>>> I'd go to the dealer and have them test it. If it is really bad (or,
>>>> the charging system), they'll tell you. Sounds like you have about a
>>>> month and a half. I bet you can arrange a time before the warranty
>>>> expires.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>> Appointment made for Saturday morning. Hope they don't tell me
>>> everything is fine and it's still within spec...
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Isn't this a little premature for a battery to start going bad? What
>>>>> is recommended if I decide to replace it? I used to always go Die
>>>>> Hard Gold for replacements but not sure if they're still the best or
>>>>> one of the better ones. Any ideas or suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -Dave
>>
>> Just got back from the dealer a short while ago. They said the battery
>> is actually fine. It's rated at 410 CCA (cold cranking amps) anb is
>> currently reading 377 CCA. with 12.62V. They gave a printout graph
>> showing where the battery is in relation to needing replacement. Let's
>> say the graph is splint into thirds, so it is reading about 1/3 down.
>> Once it gets to 2/3 down, then it needs replacing.
>>
>> While there, I was looking at the Civics and the new Accords. I actually
>> liked the size of the Civic more and the Accords are just getting too
>> big! Even wish my '05 was closer to the size of previous generation
>> Accords..
>>
>> So everything still works fine now, and I'll keep chugging along!
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who responded,
>> -Dave
>
> Well, when it comes times to replace the Accord, and cars keep getting
> bigger, you'll be wanting the car the size of the Fit, which will by then
> be the size of the Civic. Of course, there will be a new small car to
> replace the Fit.

No doubt. And the gas mileage on the new Accord went down. Just think how
much gas and $$ spent on gas can be saved if engines kept the efficient
aspects they have now, but reduced the power output! Motor companies are
only giving the public (mainly American public) what they want, and now
those same people turn around and complain about the price of gas for their
15mpg truck they drive 40 miles a day to/from their office job!

-Dave (stepping down from the soapbox)

> However, with the high prices of gas and the CAFE requirements, I am
> wondering whether or not the size creap will stop, and cars will remain
> the same size from generation to generation.
>
> We'll see (I hope I live long enough, but I don't have any plans of dying
> soon).
>
> Jeff

 

"Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote in message
news:47924d2d$0$6479$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> Just got back from the dealer a short while ago. They said the battery
>> is actually fine. It's rated at 410 CCA (cold cranking amps) anb is
>> currently reading 377 CCA. with 12.62V. They gave a printout graph
>> showing where the battery is in relation to needing replacement. Let's
>> say the graph is splint into thirds, so it is reading about 1/3 down.
>> Once it gets to 2/3 down, then it needs replacing.
>>
>> While there, I was looking at the Civics and the new Accords. I actually
>> liked the size of the Civic more and the Accords are just getting too
>> big! Even wish my '05 was closer to the size of previous generation
>> Accords..
>>
>> So everything still works fine now, and I'll keep chugging along!
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who responded,
>> -Dave
>
> Cool the battery is okay.

Yeah, thanks. But he was guessing I should change it before next winter
hits. By then my car will be out of warranty. He recommended a Honda
battery wich has a 100 month warranty. Ha! I don't care if it's a 20 year
warranty, I'd rather not get it from Honda. Not worth being stuck somewhere
because of a dead battery, even if it's under warranty. They won't be right
there to change it for me when it goes bad!

> About the Accord's new size....I am happy as hell with it, and think it
> drives and feels superb. I am glad its a little bigger, especially when
> driving on not so pristine road conditions...handles bumps and potholes
> the best of any Accord I have ever driven, starting with the models in the
> 80s to my own 1990 Accord EX Coupe to all the 19945 models to the 2007
> models.

True, there are some who do like the larger size. But then they should come
out with a new and larger model. Kind of like the size difference from the
Acura TSX, TL and RL. Or you could say the older Toyota Camry and Cressida.
I'm sure it's better in those examples you named. My preference would have
been to keep with the efficiency and more nimble feeling, and make/name a
larger vehicle for those who want it.

> The new Accord is just awesome. I wish I would have gotten a stick shift,
> even if it does mean more pain in the *** shifting here in NYC
> traffic...wonderful new engines on my 2008 Accord EX 4-cyl..

I've driven a stick shift in NYC (whenever I drive up there in my car)! It
would get old if I lived there. Places I would probably prefer an automatic
are NYC, D.C. and Los Angeles. I heard Atlanta, GA is bad too.

> And its not as "big" as a Chevy Impala, for example....so its not *that*
> big..still feels compact to me...thing that takes getting used to is when
> I am parking..only then does its larger size become apparent to
> me...bah....can't have everything says I...so can't have both small size
> like the 1990-1994 model Accords *AND* make it larger ( to make it ride
> and handle more like a BMW, for example )....everything's a trade-off.

Very true! It all depends what you compare it to. Some of the Accord's
Japanese competitors are still in the mid-size camp such as the Camry,
Altima and Mazda6. Agreed, it is a trade-off..

-Dave

> Peace,
> Polfus

 

On Jan 13, 1:01 am, "Dave L" <davelieuREMOV...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have an '05 Accord LX manual purchased in August '05, with almost 34k
> miles on it. When I checked the battery today the status indicator was
> clear and not green. I've never had the battery drain and need a jump start
> before. I called the dealer to inquire today and was told if it went bad,
> they would cover for up to 3 years (the new car warranty). They said I
> could bring it in on Monday to test the battery, but I won't have time.
>
> Isn't this a little premature for a battery to start going bad? What is
> recommended if I decide to replace it? I used to always go Die Hard Gold
> for replacements but not sure if they're still the best or one of the better
> ones. Any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> -Dave

If the replacement is under warranty then why not? Oh by the way,
Sears Die Hard aren't good battery, even worse than Duralast. The best
i've had for my 89 Accord is an EverStart from Wal-Mart for $35, made
by Johnson Control

And while you're at the dealer, ask them to check the rear defogger
switch/timer, if it's shot and leaves the defogger on all the time,
then the next battery would also fail prematurely.

 

Dave L wrote:
<...>

> No doubt. And the gas mileage on the new Accord went down.

Don't forget, the methodology for determining the estimated gas mileage
also changed.

Jeff

<...>