"Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310271731180.16403@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> i don't mean to be a troll, but do you think that the magnetic drain plug
> really makes a significant difference in preventing engine wear?
>
> I think engine manufacturers design and build engines with certain
> tolerances for small particulates flowing around.

You also think passing a flame over a magnet is some kind of science.

So who cares what you think...you don't believe they work, remember?


removing a small sample
> of particles at the end of magnetic stick is think hardly any difference
> if you didnt use it at all.
>
> There's no substitute for frequent oil changes.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Scott MacLean wrote:
>
> > The race car I crew on had a valve spring break last year. Valve punched
> > through the piston, and metal very quickly through the engine,
all
> > eight pistons were scrap, some cylinder sleeves needed to be re-honed.
In
> > any case, upon removing the magnetic drain plug, it was covered in
little
> > bits of metal.
> >
> > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310260051290.22366@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > >
> > > here's an experiment for ya. Take a magnetic drain plug (or any magnet
> > > for that matter), heat it a bit under a flame, and try to pick up some
> > > iron shavings. Youll find out quickly it's very useless.
> > >
> > > You'll find out, you magnetic drain plug *doesn't work*.
> > >
> > > =)
> > >
> > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310240844400.12564@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > > > even if you put a high powered speaker magnet to the bottom of
your
> > oil
> > > > > pan, the magnet is not strong enough to bond particles, esp when
the
> > > > > horizontal force of pressure and flow prevents particles from
> > sticking.
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Try a magnetic drain plug.
> > > >
> > > > They *work*.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >

 

"Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310271731180.16403@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> i don't mean to be a troll, but do you think that the magnetic drain plug
> really makes a significant difference in preventing engine wear?
>
> I think engine manufacturers design and build engines with certain
> tolerances for small particulates flowing around.

You also think passing a flame over a magnet is some kind of science.

So who cares what you think...you don't believe they work, remember?


removing a small sample
> of particles at the end of magnetic stick is think hardly any difference
> if you didnt use it at all.
>
> There's no substitute for frequent oil changes.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Scott MacLean wrote:
>
> > The race car I crew on had a valve spring break last year. Valve punched
> > through the piston, and metal very quickly through the engine,
all
> > eight pistons were scrap, some cylinder sleeves needed to be re-honed.
In
> > any case, upon removing the magnetic drain plug, it was covered in
little
> > bits of metal.
> >
> > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310260051290.22366@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > >
> > > here's an experiment for ya. Take a magnetic drain plug (or any magnet
> > > for that matter), heat it a bit under a flame, and try to pick up some
> > > iron shavings. Youll find out quickly it's very useless.
> > >
> > > You'll find out, you magnetic drain plug *doesn't work*.
> > >
> > > =)
> > >
> > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310240844400.12564@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > > > even if you put a high powered speaker magnet to the bottom of
your
> > oil
> > > > > pan, the magnet is not strong enough to bond particles, esp when
the
> > > > > horizontal force of pressure and flow prevents particles from
> > sticking.
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Try a magnetic drain plug.
> > > >
> > > > They *work*.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >

 

You're just being a troll =)

I was just stating that the magnet is pretty weak, and doesn't really
filter a significant amount of particles. Magnetic strength is
significantly reduced with heat, just read any physics text.

i got the impression you were saying that magnetic drain plugs work
wonders at preventing engine wear. Which it doesn't. It might indicate you
have a tons of crap flowing through your engine, but won't really reduce a
significant amount of particles through its heafty magnetic strength.

ok it does work. but how well? The original post i replied to stated that
this magnetic oil filter cap product works wonders at reducing particles
in your engine. I say this cannot be true, because there are no magnets
that are significantly that strong to attract the majority of the
particles in your oil, that are economically.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:

>
> "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310271731180.16403@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > i don't mean to be a troll, but do you think that the magnetic drain plug
> > really makes a significant difference in preventing engine wear?
> >
> > I think engine manufacturers design and build engines with certain
> > tolerances for small particulates flowing around.
>
> You also think passing a flame over a magnet is some kind of science.
>
> So who cares what you think...you don't believe they work, remember?
>
>
> removing a small sample
> > of particles at the end of magnetic stick is think hardly any difference
> > if you didnt use it at all.
> >
> > There's no substitute for frequent oil changes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Scott MacLean wrote:
> >
> > > The race car I crew on had a valve spring break last year. Valve punched
> > > through the piston, and metal very quickly through the engine,
> all
> > > eight pistons were scrap, some cylinder sleeves needed to be re-honed.
> In
> > > any case, upon removing the magnetic drain plug, it was covered in
> little
> > > bits of metal.
> > >
> > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310260051290.22366@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > >
> > > > here's an experiment for ya. Take a magnetic drain plug (or any magnet
> > > > for that matter), heat it a bit under a flame, and try to pick up some
> > > > iron shavings. Youll find out quickly it's very useless.
> > > >
> > > > You'll find out, you magnetic drain plug *doesn't work*.
> > > >
> > > > =)
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310240844400.12564@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > > > > even if you put a high powered speaker magnet to the bottom of
> your
> > > oil
> > > > > > pan, the magnet is not strong enough to bond particles, esp when
> the
> > > > > > horizontal force of pressure and flow prevents particles from
> > > sticking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try a magnetic drain plug.
> > > > >
> > > > > They *work*.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

 

You're just being a troll =)

I was just stating that the magnet is pretty weak, and doesn't really
filter a significant amount of particles. Magnetic strength is
significantly reduced with heat, just read any physics text.

i got the impression you were saying that magnetic drain plugs work
wonders at preventing engine wear. Which it doesn't. It might indicate you
have a tons of crap flowing through your engine, but won't really reduce a
significant amount of particles through its heafty magnetic strength.

ok it does work. but how well? The original post i replied to stated that
this magnetic oil filter cap product works wonders at reducing particles
in your engine. I say this cannot be true, because there are no magnets
that are significantly that strong to attract the majority of the
particles in your oil, that are economically.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:

>
> "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310271731180.16403@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > i don't mean to be a troll, but do you think that the magnetic drain plug
> > really makes a significant difference in preventing engine wear?
> >
> > I think engine manufacturers design and build engines with certain
> > tolerances for small particulates flowing around.
>
> You also think passing a flame over a magnet is some kind of science.
>
> So who cares what you think...you don't believe they work, remember?
>
>
> removing a small sample
> > of particles at the end of magnetic stick is think hardly any difference
> > if you didnt use it at all.
> >
> > There's no substitute for frequent oil changes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Scott MacLean wrote:
> >
> > > The race car I crew on had a valve spring break last year. Valve punched
> > > through the piston, and metal very quickly through the engine,
> all
> > > eight pistons were scrap, some cylinder sleeves needed to be re-honed.
> In
> > > any case, upon removing the magnetic drain plug, it was covered in
> little
> > > bits of metal.
> > >
> > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310260051290.22366@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > >
> > > > here's an experiment for ya. Take a magnetic drain plug (or any magnet
> > > > for that matter), heat it a bit under a flame, and try to pick up some
> > > > iron shavings. Youll find out quickly it's very useless.
> > > >
> > > > You'll find out, you magnetic drain plug *doesn't work*.
> > > >
> > > > =)
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310240844400.12564@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > > > > even if you put a high powered speaker magnet to the bottom of
> your
> > > oil
> > > > > > pan, the magnet is not strong enough to bond particles, esp when
> the
> > > > > > horizontal force of pressure and flow prevents particles from
> > > sticking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try a magnetic drain plug.
> > > > >
> > > > > They *work*.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

 

You're just being a troll =)

I was just stating that the magnet is pretty weak, and doesn't really
filter a significant amount of particles. Magnetic strength is
significantly reduced with heat, just read any physics text.

i got the impression you were saying that magnetic drain plugs work
wonders at preventing engine wear. Which it doesn't. It might indicate you
have a tons of crap flowing through your engine, but won't really reduce a
significant amount of particles through its heafty magnetic strength.

ok it does work. but how well? The original post i replied to stated that
this magnetic oil filter cap product works wonders at reducing particles
in your engine. I say this cannot be true, because there are no magnets
that are significantly that strong to attract the majority of the
particles in your oil, that are economically.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:

>
> "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310271731180.16403@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > i don't mean to be a troll, but do you think that the magnetic drain plug
> > really makes a significant difference in preventing engine wear?
> >
> > I think engine manufacturers design and build engines with certain
> > tolerances for small particulates flowing around.
>
> You also think passing a flame over a magnet is some kind of science.
>
> So who cares what you think...you don't believe they work, remember?
>
>
> removing a small sample
> > of particles at the end of magnetic stick is think hardly any difference
> > if you didnt use it at all.
> >
> > There's no substitute for frequent oil changes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Scott MacLean wrote:
> >
> > > The race car I crew on had a valve spring break last year. Valve punched
> > > through the piston, and metal very quickly through the engine,
> all
> > > eight pistons were scrap, some cylinder sleeves needed to be re-honed.
> In
> > > any case, upon removing the magnetic drain plug, it was covered in
> little
> > > bits of metal.
> > >
> > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310260051290.22366@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > >
> > > > here's an experiment for ya. Take a magnetic drain plug (or any magnet
> > > > for that matter), heat it a bit under a flame, and try to pick up some
> > > > iron shavings. Youll find out quickly it's very useless.
> > > >
> > > > You'll find out, you magnetic drain plug *doesn't work*.
> > > >
> > > > =)
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310240844400.12564@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > > > > even if you put a high powered speaker magnet to the bottom of
> your
> > > oil
> > > > > > pan, the magnet is not strong enough to bond particles, esp when
> the
> > > > > > horizontal force of pressure and flow prevents particles from
> > > sticking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try a magnetic drain plug.
> > > > >
> > > > > They *work*.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

 

You're just being a troll =)

I was just stating that the magnet is pretty weak, and doesn't really
filter a significant amount of particles. Magnetic strength is
significantly reduced with heat, just read any physics text.

i got the impression you were saying that magnetic drain plugs work
wonders at preventing engine wear. Which it doesn't. It might indicate you
have a tons of crap flowing through your engine, but won't really reduce a
significant amount of particles through its heafty magnetic strength.

ok it does work. but how well? The original post i replied to stated that
this magnetic oil filter cap product works wonders at reducing particles
in your engine. I say this cannot be true, because there are no magnets
that are significantly that strong to attract the majority of the
particles in your oil, that are economically.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:

>
> "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310271731180.16403@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > i don't mean to be a troll, but do you think that the magnetic drain plug
> > really makes a significant difference in preventing engine wear?
> >
> > I think engine manufacturers design and build engines with certain
> > tolerances for small particulates flowing around.
>
> You also think passing a flame over a magnet is some kind of science.
>
> So who cares what you think...you don't believe they work, remember?
>
>
> removing a small sample
> > of particles at the end of magnetic stick is think hardly any difference
> > if you didnt use it at all.
> >
> > There's no substitute for frequent oil changes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Scott MacLean wrote:
> >
> > > The race car I crew on had a valve spring break last year. Valve punched
> > > through the piston, and metal very quickly through the engine,
> all
> > > eight pistons were scrap, some cylinder sleeves needed to be re-honed.
> In
> > > any case, upon removing the magnetic drain plug, it was covered in
> little
> > > bits of metal.
> > >
> > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310260051290.22366@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > >
> > > > here's an experiment for ya. Take a magnetic drain plug (or any magnet
> > > > for that matter), heat it a bit under a flame, and try to pick up some
> > > > iron shavings. Youll find out quickly it's very useless.
> > > >
> > > > You'll find out, you magnetic drain plug *doesn't work*.
> > > >
> > > > =)
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jin Lee" <jinlee@ic.sunysb.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0310240844400.12564@sparky.ic.s unysb.edu...
> > > > > > even if you put a high powered speaker magnet to the bottom of
> your
> > > oil
> > > > > > pan, the magnet is not strong enough to bond particles, esp when
> the
> > > > > > horizontal force of pressure and flow prevents particles from
> > > sticking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try a magnetic drain plug.
> > > > >
> > > > > They *work*.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

 

<kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
smaller
> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
> other filter but in a smaller package.

How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
test data?

Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

John

 

<kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
smaller
> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
> other filter but in a smaller package.

How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
test data?

Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

John

 

<kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
smaller
> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
> other filter but in a smaller package.

How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
test data?

Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

John

 

<kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
smaller
> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
> other filter but in a smaller package.

How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
test data?

Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

John

 

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:52:22 -0800, "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
><kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com.. .
>> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
>smaller
>> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
>> other filter but in a smaller package.
>
>How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
>test data?
>
>Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

No they're still made by Fram as they have been for a while. The old style
Filtechs have been difficult to get from many dealers for a while but
apparently there *is* a Filtech equivalent of the new design.

>Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type of
oil fiilter. I dunno if the smaller size is necessary for an given new
model due to space/clearance issues but smaller oil filters are not that
unusual from any auto mfr. The '93 Camry we had a while back had a tiny
oil filter.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:52:22 -0800, "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
><kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com.. .
>> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
>smaller
>> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
>> other filter but in a smaller package.
>
>How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
>test data?
>
>Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

No they're still made by Fram as they have been for a while. The old style
Filtechs have been difficult to get from many dealers for a while but
apparently there *is* a Filtech equivalent of the new design.

>Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type of
oil fiilter. I dunno if the smaller size is necessary for an given new
model due to space/clearance issues but smaller oil filters are not that
unusual from any auto mfr. The '93 Camry we had a while back had a tiny
oil filter.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:52:22 -0800, "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
><kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com.. .
>> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
>smaller
>> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
>> other filter but in a smaller package.
>
>How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
>test data?
>
>Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

No they're still made by Fram as they have been for a while. The old style
Filtechs have been difficult to get from many dealers for a while but
apparently there *is* a Filtech equivalent of the new design.

>Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type of
oil fiilter. I dunno if the smaller size is necessary for an given new
model due to space/clearance issues but smaller oil filters are not that
unusual from any auto mfr. The '93 Camry we had a while back had a tiny
oil filter.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:52:22 -0800, "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
><kmannin5@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:bCO5b.52321$7G2.37094@twister.nyroc.rr.com.. .
>> Yes this is normal. Honda jsut changed oil filters and went to the
>smaller
>> one acros the models. Dont be alarmed, it ahs the same quality as the
>> other filter but in a smaller package.
>
>How do you know that the quality is the same? Are you privy to internal
>test data?
>
>Honda also changed suppliers and construction.

No they're still made by Fram as they have been for a while. The old style
Filtechs have been difficult to get from many dealers for a while but
apparently there *is* a Filtech equivalent of the new design.

>Isn't it possible that Honda might be cutting corners to save money?

I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type of
oil fiilter. I dunno if the smaller size is necessary for an given new
model due to space/clearance issues but smaller oil filters are not that
unusual from any auto mfr. The '93 Camry we had a while back had a tiny
oil filter.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:3mp62017l7a3smpum847tfatrmu59b7mk8@4ax.com:

> I think it's just more a case of making the dealers happier with a
> consolidation of parts, so they don't have to carry more than one type
> of oil fiilter.


They do this with other parts too. It's called "rationalization". They've
done it with the front brake pads for my '91 Integra.


I dunno if the smaller size is necessary for an given
> new model due to space/clearance issues but smaller oil filters are
> not that unusual from any auto mfr. The '93 Camry we had a while back
> had a tiny oil filter.


The OEM filter for our Tercel is even smaller than the new Honda one. It's
about the same diameter, but 3/8" shorter than the new Honda one.


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