Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> spake unto the masses in
news:BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org: > > It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that > putting a Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing > murder against your engine. I'm one of the few that thinks FRAM turns out a damn fine product, so long as they have to work to Honda's requirments. > > In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the > only oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a > '96 Honda (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out > past the gasket onto the road). If the bypass "failed", then the element was clogged and the bypass valve was probably plugged up as well. How long was the filter in place for? FRAM bypass valves as used on the Honda filters are pretty much foolproof. Very simple and durable. http://www.tegger.com/honda_filter_comparo.html > > I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure > with a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil > filter? Good question!! DOCUMENTED answers anybody? -- TeGGeR® |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your >engine. > >In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only >oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda >(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket >onto the road). > >I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with >a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Well, it wasn't failure, but after several weeks of Minnesota winter inactivity, my '98 Altima would exhibit several seconds of chain rattle when started with a Fram filter. Switched to an A/C Delco and the noise went away. |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your >engine. > >In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only >oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda >(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket >onto the road). > >I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with >a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Well, it wasn't failure, but after several weeks of Minnesota winter inactivity, my '98 Altima would exhibit several seconds of chain rattle when started with a Fram filter. Switched to an A/C Delco and the noise went away. |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your >engine. > >In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only >oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda >(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket >onto the road). > >I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with >a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Well, it wasn't failure, but after several weeks of Minnesota winter inactivity, my '98 Altima would exhibit several seconds of chain rattle when started with a Fram filter. Switched to an A/C Delco and the noise went away. |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
>It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a
>Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your >engine. > >In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only >oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda >(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket >onto the road). > >I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with >a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Well, it wasn't failure, but after several weeks of Minnesota winter inactivity, my '98 Altima would exhibit several seconds of chain rattle when started with a Fram filter. Switched to an A/C Delco and the noise went away. |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe >> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX. > >Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building >the Pilot. > >I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just >because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda >paperwork? > Or the other way around.....going to a Pontiac dealer and buying a Toyota (Martix) instead of normal Pontiac junk... |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe >> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX. > >Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building >the Pilot. > >I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just >because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda >paperwork? > Or the other way around.....going to a Pontiac dealer and buying a Toyota (Martix) instead of normal Pontiac junk... |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe >> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX. > >Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building >the Pilot. > >I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just >because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda >paperwork? > Or the other way around.....going to a Pontiac dealer and buying a Toyota (Martix) instead of normal Pontiac junk... |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
>> And yes, apparently our dear Honda has some sub-assemblies
>> which are less than pedigreed.... mention somewhere, not sure but maybe >> Allpar, of some part of the 4WD trans of the MDX. > >Not the mention the entire rebadged Isuzu Rodeo Honda sold before building >the Pilot. > >I wonder how many uniformed customers thought they were buying a Honda just >because it said Honda and was sold in a Honda dealer with all Honda >paperwork? > Or the other way around.....going to a Pontiac dealer and buying a Toyota (Martix) instead of normal Pontiac junk... |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17, > "Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in > > news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net: > > > >> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart > >> $2.89 ea. > > > > > > Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda > > and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts. > > > > Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM > > products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products. > > > > The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where > > iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many > > decades. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2scnj > > > > > > It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a > Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your > engine. > > In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only > oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda > (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket > onto the road). > > I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with > a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Not personally. However - I'd just say that opening one up and seeing the "quality" of construction and materials can have an impact on whether or not one decides to use a Fram oil filter. That being said, I do remember the recall of Fram motorcycle filters. They mounted the threads too far away from the gasket, such that it would only spin on about two threads deep. The filter shot off of several motorcycles, and there may have been injuries or death as a result. There have also been reports about the cardboard endcaps of Fram oil filters collapsing in VW Corrado engines under the stress of the supercharger. |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17, > "Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in > > news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net: > > > >> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart > >> $2.89 ea. > > > > > > Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda > > and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts. > > > > Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM > > products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products. > > > > The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where > > iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many > > decades. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2scnj > > > > > > It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a > Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your > engine. > > In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only > oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda > (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket > onto the road). > > I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with > a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Not personally. However - I'd just say that opening one up and seeing the "quality" of construction and materials can have an impact on whether or not one decides to use a Fram oil filter. That being said, I do remember the recall of Fram motorcycle filters. They mounted the threads too far away from the gasket, such that it would only spin on about two threads deep. The filter shot off of several motorcycles, and there may have been injuries or death as a result. There have also been reports about the cardboard endcaps of Fram oil filters collapsing in VW Corrado engines under the stress of the supercharger. |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17, > "Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in > > news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net: > > > >> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart > >> $2.89 ea. > > > > > > Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda > > and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts. > > > > Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM > > products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products. > > > > The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where > > iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many > > decades. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2scnj > > > > > > It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a > Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your > engine. > > In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only > oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda > (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket > onto the road). > > I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with > a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Not personally. However - I'd just say that opening one up and seeing the "quality" of construction and materials can have an impact on whether or not one decides to use a Fram oil filter. That being said, I do remember the recall of Fram motorcycle filters. They mounted the threads too far away from the gasket, such that it would only spin on about two threads deep. The filter shot off of several motorcycles, and there may have been injuries or death as a result. There have also been reports about the cardboard endcaps of Fram oil filters collapsing in VW Corrado engines under the stress of the supercharger. |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17, > "Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > > > "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in > > news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net: > > > >> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart > >> $2.89 ea. > > > > > > Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda > > and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts. > > > > Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM > > products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products. > > > > The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where > > iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many > > decades. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2scnj > > > > > > It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a > Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your > engine. > > In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only > oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda > (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket > onto the road). > > I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with > a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Not personally. However - I'd just say that opening one up and seeing the "quality" of construction and materials can have an impact on whether or not one decides to use a Fram oil filter. That being said, I do remember the recall of Fram motorcycle filters. They mounted the threads too far away from the gasket, such that it would only spin on about two threads deep. The filter shot off of several motorcycles, and there may have been injuries or death as a result. There have also been reports about the cardboard endcaps of Fram oil filters collapsing in VW Corrado engines under the stress of the supercharger. |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow"
<sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message >news:8gce20ti1up8eorrktovkilrcbqbj5nveh@4ax.com.. . > >> >> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to >> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the >> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day. > >Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments. :( > >$85.33USD (shipping in) >Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN > >About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%) Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts? Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow"
<sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message >news:8gce20ti1up8eorrktovkilrcbqbj5nveh@4ax.com.. . > >> >> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to >> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the >> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day. > >Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments. :( > >$85.33USD (shipping in) >Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN > >About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%) Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts? Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow"
<sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message >news:8gce20ti1up8eorrktovkilrcbqbj5nveh@4ax.com.. . > >> >> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to >> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the >> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day. > >Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments. :( > >$85.33USD (shipping in) >Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN > >About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%) Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts? Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow"
<sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message >news:8gce20ti1up8eorrktovkilrcbqbj5nveh@4ax.com.. . > >> >> For rotors check out http://www.importrp.com/ - they claim to ship to >> Canada. I got their Brembo OE rotors for the rear of my '99 Integra (the >> originals corroded badly) for ~$70. the pair including Fedex 3-day. > >Well, sure they do...but they use UPS for export shipments. :( > >$85.33USD (shipping in) >Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN > >About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%) Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts? Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:23:42 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:
>On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17, >"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > >> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in >> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net: >> >>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart >>> $2.89 ea. >> >> >> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda >> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts. >> >> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM >> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products. >> >> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where >> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many >> decades. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj >> >> > >It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a >Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your >engine. > >In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only >oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda >(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket >onto the road). > >I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with >a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Check the Extra Guard here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html and the comments here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt both linked from http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html Note the Extra Guard filter element colapsed and clogged oil passages - can't get much worse. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:23:42 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:
>On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17, >"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > >> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in >> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net: >> >>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart >>> $2.89 ea. >> >> >> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda >> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts. >> >> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM >> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products. >> >> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where >> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many >> decades. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj >> >> > >It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a >Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your >engine. > >In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only >oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda >(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket >onto the road). > >I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with >a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Check the Extra Guard here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html and the comments here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt both linked from http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html Note the Extra Guard filter element colapsed and clogged oil passages - can't get much worse. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:23:42 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:
>On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17, >"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > >> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in >> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net: >> >>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart >>> $2.89 ea. >> >> >> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda >> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts. >> >> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM >> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products. >> >> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where >> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many >> decades. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj >> >> > >It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a >Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your >engine. > >In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only >oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda >(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket >onto the road). > >I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with >a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Check the Extra Guard here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html and the comments here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt both linked from http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html Note the Extra Guard filter element colapsed and clogged oil passages - can't get much worse. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:23:42 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:
>On 2/8/04 6:35 PM, in article Xns9489C75DA6E05teggeratistop@207.14.113.17, >"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > >> "tflfb" <fuksatw@qwest.net> spake unto the masses in >> news:6e7Vb.247$gu2.10478@news.uswest.net: >> >>> If there made by Fram which I use why not just buy a Fram at Wal-mart >>> $2.89 ea. >> >> >> Because all Honda is only using is FRAM's manufacturing facilities. Honda >> and other automakers rely on outside suppliers for most of their parts. >> >> Honda has much more strigent (and expensive) requirements for its OEM >> products than FRAM has for its own aftermarket products. >> >> The days of a vertically-integrated Ford-type "River Rouge" plant, where >> iron ore went in one end and cars went out the other has been dead for many >> decades. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2scnj >> >> > >It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that putting a >Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing murder against your >engine. > >In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only >oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda >(the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket >onto the road). > >I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with >a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? Check the Extra Guard here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html and the comments here http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt both linked from http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html Note the Extra Guard filter element colapsed and clogged oil passages - can't get much worse. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 2/9/04 2:46 PM, in article Xns948AA06F7A4B9teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> spake unto the masses in > news:BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org: > >> >> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that >> putting a Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing >> murder against your engine. > > > I'm one of the few that thinks FRAM turns out a damn fine product, so long > as they have to work to Honda's requirments. > > >> >> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the >> only oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a >> '96 Honda (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out >> past the gasket onto the road). > > > If the bypass "failed", then the element was clogged and the bypass valve > was probably plugged up as well. How long was the filter in place for? 3 weeks and 2,000 miles. > > FRAM bypass valves as used on the Honda filters are pretty much foolproof. > Very simple and durable. > http://www.tegger.com/honda_filter_comparo.html > >> >> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure >> with a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil >> filter? > > > Good question!! DOCUMENTED answers anybody? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 2/9/04 2:46 PM, in article Xns948AA06F7A4B9teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> spake unto the masses in > news:BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org: > >> >> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that >> putting a Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing >> murder against your engine. > > > I'm one of the few that thinks FRAM turns out a damn fine product, so long > as they have to work to Honda's requirments. > > >> >> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the >> only oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a >> '96 Honda (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out >> past the gasket onto the road). > > > If the bypass "failed", then the element was clogged and the bypass valve > was probably plugged up as well. How long was the filter in place for? 3 weeks and 2,000 miles. > > FRAM bypass valves as used on the Honda filters are pretty much foolproof. > Very simple and durable. > http://www.tegger.com/honda_filter_comparo.html > >> >> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure >> with a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil >> filter? > > > Good question!! DOCUMENTED answers anybody? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 2/9/04 2:46 PM, in article Xns948AA06F7A4B9teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> spake unto the masses in > news:BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org: > >> >> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that >> putting a Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing >> murder against your engine. > > > I'm one of the few that thinks FRAM turns out a damn fine product, so long > as they have to work to Honda's requirments. > > >> >> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the >> only oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a >> '96 Honda (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out >> past the gasket onto the road). > > > If the bypass "failed", then the element was clogged and the bypass valve > was probably plugged up as well. How long was the filter in place for? 3 weeks and 2,000 miles. > > FRAM bypass valves as used on the Honda filters are pretty much foolproof. > Very simple and durable. > http://www.tegger.com/honda_filter_comparo.html > >> >> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure >> with a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil >> filter? > > > Good question!! DOCUMENTED answers anybody? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 2/9/04 2:46 PM, in article Xns948AA06F7A4B9teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: > "E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> spake unto the masses in > news:BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org: > >> >> It seems to become a "given" in the discussions groups now that >> putting a Fram oil filter on your car is tantamount to committing >> murder against your engine. > > > I'm one of the few that thinks FRAM turns out a damn fine product, so long > as they have to work to Honda's requirments. > > >> >> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the >> only oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a >> '96 Honda (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out >> past the gasket onto the road). > > > If the bypass "failed", then the element was clogged and the bypass valve > was probably plugged up as well. How long was the filter in place for? 3 weeks and 2,000 miles. > > FRAM bypass valves as used on the Honda filters are pretty much foolproof. > Very simple and durable. > http://www.tegger.com/honda_filter_comparo.html > >> >> I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure >> with a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil >> filter? > > > Good question!! DOCUMENTED answers anybody? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only > oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda > (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket > onto the road). > > I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with > a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? OK - here's another one. I'm posting from Google Groups, so I'm not sure if there have been any responses to my last post. http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html This guy took apart a Fram PH3387A (AC PF47 equivalent) after it had been used. The only time I took apart a filter (a Fram) was a few hundred miles, and I had first heard about the materials used by Fram. I noticed some cardboard fibers had started to separate. The filter element seems to have flexed a little too much (because of the lack of stiffness of the cardboard?), and a hole developed in the media. The anti-drainback valve (which I find to be really thin in Fram filters) had also folded over such that unfiltered oil was leaking through a gap. I remember some years back someone was chiding me for criticizing the use of cardboard in Fram filters. His point was that cardboard was used as a gasket material in high pressure military applications (i.e. submarines). However - I started thinking about it, and it gaskets need no structural strength (i.e. usually sandwiched between two metal surfaces). What happens when the cardboard flexes? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only > oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda > (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket > onto the road). > > I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with > a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? OK - here's another one. I'm posting from Google Groups, so I'm not sure if there have been any responses to my last post. http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html This guy took apart a Fram PH3387A (AC PF47 equivalent) after it had been used. The only time I took apart a filter (a Fram) was a few hundred miles, and I had first heard about the materials used by Fram. I noticed some cardboard fibers had started to separate. The filter element seems to have flexed a little too much (because of the lack of stiffness of the cardboard?), and a hole developed in the media. The anti-drainback valve (which I find to be really thin in Fram filters) had also folded over such that unfiltered oil was leaking through a gap. I remember some years back someone was chiding me for criticizing the use of cardboard in Fram filters. His point was that cardboard was used as a gasket material in high pressure military applications (i.e. submarines). However - I started thinking about it, and it gaskets need no structural strength (i.e. usually sandwiched between two metal surfaces). What happens when the cardboard flexes? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only > oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda > (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket > onto the road). > > I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with > a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? OK - here's another one. I'm posting from Google Groups, so I'm not sure if there have been any responses to my last post. http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html This guy took apart a Fram PH3387A (AC PF47 equivalent) after it had been used. The only time I took apart a filter (a Fram) was a few hundred miles, and I had first heard about the materials used by Fram. I noticed some cardboard fibers had started to separate. The filter element seems to have flexed a little too much (because of the lack of stiffness of the cardboard?), and a hole developed in the media. The anti-drainback valve (which I find to be really thin in Fram filters) had also folded over such that unfiltered oil was leaking through a gap. I remember some years back someone was chiding me for criticizing the use of cardboard in Fram filters. His point was that cardboard was used as a gasket material in high pressure military applications (i.e. submarines). However - I started thinking about it, and it gaskets need no structural strength (i.e. usually sandwiched between two metal surfaces). What happens when the cardboard flexes? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<BC4D102B.4736A%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>...
> In my driving lifetime (39 years behind the wheel and counting), the only > oil filter failure I have ever experienced was an AC filter on a '96 Honda > (the bypass failed and the engine forced all the oil out past the gasket > onto the road). > > I'm curious - has anyone here ever actually experienced filter failure with > a Fram or engine damage attributed to failure of a Fram oil filter? OK - here's another one. I'm posting from Google Groups, so I'm not sure if there have been any responses to my last post. http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html This guy took apart a Fram PH3387A (AC PF47 equivalent) after it had been used. The only time I took apart a filter (a Fram) was a few hundred miles, and I had first heard about the materials used by Fram. I noticed some cardboard fibers had started to separate. The filter element seems to have flexed a little too much (because of the lack of stiffness of the cardboard?), and a hole developed in the media. The anti-drainback valve (which I find to be really thin in Fram filters) had also folded over such that unfiltered oil was leaking through a gap. I remember some years back someone was chiding me for criticizing the use of cardboard in Fram filters. His point was that cardboard was used as a gasket material in high pressure military applications (i.e. submarines). However - I started thinking about it, and it gaskets need no structural strength (i.e. usually sandwiched between two metal surfaces). What happens when the cardboard flexes? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" > <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >$85.33USD (shipping in) > >Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN > > > >About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%) > > Are you sure about that Can$155? Add about 30% to USD to get CDN. My bad, call it ~$145CDN, plus 7% federal tax on the whole deal. Still good for decent rotors, just a long way from US prices. I've been shopping for aftermarket bits for my 91 EX-R. It's tough up here. Best deal so far has been a cat-back from www.hottexhaust.com $563CDN *in my hands* for a Magnaflow 15687. Local shops tell me "Oh, around $800",....of course, plus taxes, so more like $920. Same part #, pushed across the counter. Sorry, but I *work* for my money. Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you > really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out > cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of > apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts? > > Rgds, George Macdonald > > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" > <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >$85.33USD (shipping in) > >Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN > > > >About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%) > > Are you sure about that Can$155? Add about 30% to USD to get CDN. My bad, call it ~$145CDN, plus 7% federal tax on the whole deal. Still good for decent rotors, just a long way from US prices. I've been shopping for aftermarket bits for my 91 EX-R. It's tough up here. Best deal so far has been a cat-back from www.hottexhaust.com $563CDN *in my hands* for a Magnaflow 15687. Local shops tell me "Oh, around $800",....of course, plus taxes, so more like $920. Same part #, pushed across the counter. Sorry, but I *work* for my money. Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you > really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out > cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of > apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts? > > Rgds, George Macdonald > > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" > <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >$85.33USD (shipping in) > >Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN > > > >About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%) > > Are you sure about that Can$155? Add about 30% to USD to get CDN. My bad, call it ~$145CDN, plus 7% federal tax on the whole deal. Still good for decent rotors, just a long way from US prices. I've been shopping for aftermarket bits for my 91 EX-R. It's tough up here. Best deal so far has been a cat-back from www.hottexhaust.com $563CDN *in my hands* for a Magnaflow 15687. Local shops tell me "Oh, around $800",....of course, plus taxes, so more like $920. Same part #, pushed across the counter. Sorry, but I *work* for my money. Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you > really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out > cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of > apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts? > > Rgds, George Macdonald > > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote in message news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" > <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >$85.33USD (shipping in) > >Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN > > > >About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only (7%) > > Are you sure about that Can$155? Add about 30% to USD to get CDN. My bad, call it ~$145CDN, plus 7% federal tax on the whole deal. Still good for decent rotors, just a long way from US prices. I've been shopping for aftermarket bits for my 91 EX-R. It's tough up here. Best deal so far has been a cat-back from www.hottexhaust.com $563CDN *in my hands* for a Magnaflow 15687. Local shops tell me "Oh, around $800",....of course, plus taxes, so more like $920. Same part #, pushed across the counter. Sorry, but I *work* for my money. Is the Can$ falling with the US$? Do you > really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? It could still work out > cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of Acura rotors of > apparently dubious quality. Have you actually used them for parts? > > Rgds, George Macdonald > > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com: > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" > <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >> >>$85.33USD (shipping in) >>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN >> >>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only >>(7%) > > Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? $1 US is currently about $1.30 Cdn. He's optimistic. He'll pay about $163 Cdn. The provincial goons now rough you up for the provincial tax even on items purchased outside the country. > Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? Yes. The price is figured on item plus shipping plus provincial sales tax, then the federal GST tax is calculated on that figure. Yes, we are paying tax on tax. Lovely country, no? > It could still > work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of > Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. A pair of OEM rotors for my Integra are $69 each. That's about $160 Cdn, tax in. -- TeGGeR® |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com: > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" > <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >> >>$85.33USD (shipping in) >>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN >> >>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only >>(7%) > > Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? $1 US is currently about $1.30 Cdn. He's optimistic. He'll pay about $163 Cdn. The provincial goons now rough you up for the provincial tax even on items purchased outside the country. > Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? Yes. The price is figured on item plus shipping plus provincial sales tax, then the federal GST tax is calculated on that figure. Yes, we are paying tax on tax. Lovely country, no? > It could still > work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of > Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. A pair of OEM rotors for my Integra are $69 each. That's about $160 Cdn, tax in. -- TeGGeR® |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com: > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" > <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >> >>$85.33USD (shipping in) >>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN >> >>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only >>(7%) > > Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? $1 US is currently about $1.30 Cdn. He's optimistic. He'll pay about $163 Cdn. The provincial goons now rough you up for the provincial tax even on items purchased outside the country. > Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? Yes. The price is figured on item plus shipping plus provincial sales tax, then the federal GST tax is calculated on that figure. Yes, we are paying tax on tax. Lovely country, no? > It could still > work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of > Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. A pair of OEM rotors for my Integra are $69 each. That's about $160 Cdn, tax in. -- TeGGeR® |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com: > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" > <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: > >> >>$85.33USD (shipping in) >>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN >> >>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only >>(7%) > > Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? $1 US is currently about $1.30 Cdn. He's optimistic. He'll pay about $163 Cdn. The provincial goons now rough you up for the provincial tax even on items purchased outside the country. > Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? Yes. The price is figured on item plus shipping plus provincial sales tax, then the federal GST tax is calculated on that figure. Yes, we are paying tax on tax. Lovely country, no? > It could still > work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of > Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. A pair of OEM rotors for my Integra are $69 each. That's about $160 Cdn, tax in. -- TeGGeR® |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 10 Feb 2004 02:54:45 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the >masses in news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com: > >> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" >> <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>$85.33USD (shipping in) >>>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN >>> >>>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only >>>(7%) >> >> Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? > > >$1 US is currently about $1.30 Cdn. > >He's optimistic. He'll pay about $163 Cdn. The provincial goons now rough >you up for the provincial tax even on items purchased outside the country. It's still not clear to me what the $155. or $163 covers: just shipping or including the parts? > >> Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? > > >Yes. The price is figured on item plus shipping plus provincial sales tax, >then the federal GST tax is calculated on that figure. Yes, we are paying >tax on tax. Lovely country, no? > > >> It could still >> work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of >> Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. > > >A pair of OEM rotors for my Integra are $69 each. That's about $160 Cdn, >tax in. I was going by the price at http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/ plus Can$ conversion. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 10 Feb 2004 02:54:45 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the >masses in news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com: > >> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" >> <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>$85.33USD (shipping in) >>>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN >>> >>>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only >>>(7%) >> >> Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? > > >$1 US is currently about $1.30 Cdn. > >He's optimistic. He'll pay about $163 Cdn. The provincial goons now rough >you up for the provincial tax even on items purchased outside the country. It's still not clear to me what the $155. or $163 covers: just shipping or including the parts? > >> Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? > > >Yes. The price is figured on item plus shipping plus provincial sales tax, >then the federal GST tax is calculated on that figure. Yes, we are paying >tax on tax. Lovely country, no? > > >> It could still >> work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of >> Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. > > >A pair of OEM rotors for my Integra are $69 each. That's about $160 Cdn, >tax in. I was going by the price at http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/ plus Can$ conversion. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
Re: '03 CR-V Oil filter...new one looks smaller
On 10 Feb 2004 02:54:45 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote: >George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the >masses in news:b02g20tk1jtipfk69henq2te8qva4o8lmc@4ax.com: > >> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "Stephen Bigelow" >> <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>$85.33USD (shipping in) >>>Plus UPS brokerage charges of around $30CDN >>> >>>About $155CDN, plus whatever taxes applicable, probably federal only >>>(7%) >> >> Are you sure about that Can$155? Is the Can$ falling with the US$? > > >$1 US is currently about $1.30 Cdn. > >He's optimistic. He'll pay about $163 Cdn. The provincial goons now rough >you up for the provincial tax even on items purchased outside the country. It's still not clear to me what the $155. or $163 covers: just shipping or including the parts? > >> Do you really mean 7% tax on the shipping charges? > > >Yes. The price is figured on item plus shipping plus provincial sales tax, >then the federal GST tax is calculated on that figure. Yes, we are paying >tax on tax. Lovely country, no? > > >> It could still >> work out cheaper than the ~$250. you're going to pay for a pair of >> Acura rotors of apparently dubious quality. > > >A pair of OEM rotors for my Integra are $69 each. That's about $160 Cdn, >tax in. I was going by the price at http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/ plus Can$ conversion. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
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