"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message news:<qqydnbZLxOC1x8WiU-KYgw@magma.ca>...
> "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
> > "BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
> news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> > > If you want ..
> > > to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
> > > problems.
> > > to make your engine oil cleaner.
> > > to reduce engine wear and friction.
> > > to extend your engine and transmission life.
> > >
> > > then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> > > http://www.turbo-mag.ca
> > >
> >
> >
> > 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth
> it.
> >

What are the
> > Chip
>
> Thank you for your opinoins...
>
> Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> stuck/broken piston rings etc...
>
> Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> -----------------------------------------
> 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> 80% city/20% highway driving
> Miles on engine, 26000
> miles on oil, 7200
> No makeup oil added
> OEM paper air filter
> SDF-57 oil filter
>
> Wear Metals
>
> Fe, 21 ppm
> Cr, 0 ppm
> Pb, 4 ppm
> Cu, 8 ppm
> Sn, 1 ppm
> Al, 9 ppm
> Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> ------------------------------------------
> 1999 Honda Civic
> 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> No fuel or oil additives
> NAPA Gold oil filter
> OEM air filter
> Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> Average of 366 miles per week
> No top up oil
> Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> This car is driven mostly on the highway
> (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
>
> Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> 8000 miles 5500 miles
> .
> Iron 19 14
> Lead 10 4.5
> Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> Copper 3.8 3.0
> Silicon 8 11
> Nickel 0.1 0
> Chromium 3 0.8
> Titanium 0.1 0
> Tin 0.2 0
> Silver 0.4 0.2
> Vanadium 0.2 0
> Potassium 0 0
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> parts.
>
> Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> don't have enough strength,
> also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> with high temperature from engine block and oil.
>
> Try to use the oil filter magnet
> after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> Simply, It works.
>
> BE.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

To quote your words, Let's see some of the used oil analysisis with
the Magnet as a comparison. Are you saying the filter normally passes
microscopic iron particles? Most probably the iron particles will be
trapped in the filter. Is your analysis sample from the oil pan or the
filter?

 

"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message news:<qqydnbZLxOC1x8WiU-KYgw@magma.ca>...
> "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
> > "BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
> news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> > > If you want ..
> > > to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
> > > problems.
> > > to make your engine oil cleaner.
> > > to reduce engine wear and friction.
> > > to extend your engine and transmission life.
> > >
> > > then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> > > http://www.turbo-mag.ca
> > >
> >
> >
> > 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth
> it.
> >

What are the
> > Chip
>
> Thank you for your opinoins...
>
> Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> stuck/broken piston rings etc...
>
> Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> -----------------------------------------
> 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> 80% city/20% highway driving
> Miles on engine, 26000
> miles on oil, 7200
> No makeup oil added
> OEM paper air filter
> SDF-57 oil filter
>
> Wear Metals
>
> Fe, 21 ppm
> Cr, 0 ppm
> Pb, 4 ppm
> Cu, 8 ppm
> Sn, 1 ppm
> Al, 9 ppm
> Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> ------------------------------------------
> 1999 Honda Civic
> 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> No fuel or oil additives
> NAPA Gold oil filter
> OEM air filter
> Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> Average of 366 miles per week
> No top up oil
> Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> This car is driven mostly on the highway
> (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
>
> Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> 8000 miles 5500 miles
> .
> Iron 19 14
> Lead 10 4.5
> Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> Copper 3.8 3.0
> Silicon 8 11
> Nickel 0.1 0
> Chromium 3 0.8
> Titanium 0.1 0
> Tin 0.2 0
> Silver 0.4 0.2
> Vanadium 0.2 0
> Potassium 0 0
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> parts.
>
> Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> don't have enough strength,
> also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> with high temperature from engine block and oil.
>
> Try to use the oil filter magnet
> after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> Simply, It works.
>
> BE.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

To quote your words, Let's see some of the used oil analysisis with
the Magnet as a comparison. Are you saying the filter normally passes
microscopic iron particles? Most probably the iron particles will be
trapped in the filter. Is your analysis sample from the oil pan or the
filter?

 

Hi,
My understanding is engine wear mostly occurs when you start engine
(particularly in COLD) There is such a thing like oil primer.
You install an electric driven pump which will circulate oil before
you start engine. The first few seconds until the oil starts circulating
after engine starts running is the damaging time.
But no matter what, regualr oil/filter change will go a long way.
Tony

BE wrote:

> "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
>
>>"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
>
> news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
>
>>>If you want ..
>>>to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
>>>problems.
>>>to make your engine oil cleaner.
>>>to reduce engine wear and friction.
>>>to extend your engine and transmission life.
>>>
>>>then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
>>>http://www.turbo-mag.ca
>>>
>>
>>
>> 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth
>
> it.
>
>> Chip
>
>
> Thank you for your opinoins...
>
> Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> stuck/broken piston rings etc...
>
> Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> -----------------------------------------
> 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> 80% city/20% highway driving
> Miles on engine, 26000
> miles on oil, 7200
> No makeup oil added
> OEM paper air filter
> SDF-57 oil filter
>
> Wear Metals
>
> Fe, 21 ppm
> Cr, 0 ppm
> Pb, 4 ppm
> Cu, 8 ppm
> Sn, 1 ppm
> Al, 9 ppm
> Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> ------------------------------------------
> 1999 Honda Civic
> 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> No fuel or oil additives
> NAPA Gold oil filter
> OEM air filter
> Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> Average of 366 miles per week
> No top up oil
> Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> This car is driven mostly on the highway
> (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
>
> Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> 8000 miles 5500 miles
> .
> Iron 19 14
> Lead 10 4.5
> Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> Copper 3.8 3.0
> Silicon 8 11
> Nickel 0.1 0
> Chromium 3 0.8
> Titanium 0.1 0
> Tin 0.2 0
> Silver 0.4 0.2
> Vanadium 0.2 0
> Potassium 0 0
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> parts.
>
> Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> don't have enough strength,
> also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> with high temperature from engine block and oil.
>
> Try to use the oil filter magnet
> after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> Simply, It works.
>
> BE.
>
>

 

Hi,
My understanding is engine wear mostly occurs when you start engine
(particularly in COLD) There is such a thing like oil primer.
You install an electric driven pump which will circulate oil before
you start engine. The first few seconds until the oil starts circulating
after engine starts running is the damaging time.
But no matter what, regualr oil/filter change will go a long way.
Tony

BE wrote:

> "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
>
>>"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
>
> news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
>
>>>If you want ..
>>>to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
>>>problems.
>>>to make your engine oil cleaner.
>>>to reduce engine wear and friction.
>>>to extend your engine and transmission life.
>>>
>>>then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
>>>http://www.turbo-mag.ca
>>>
>>
>>
>> 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth
>
> it.
>
>> Chip
>
>
> Thank you for your opinoins...
>
> Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> stuck/broken piston rings etc...
>
> Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> -----------------------------------------
> 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> 80% city/20% highway driving
> Miles on engine, 26000
> miles on oil, 7200
> No makeup oil added
> OEM paper air filter
> SDF-57 oil filter
>
> Wear Metals
>
> Fe, 21 ppm
> Cr, 0 ppm
> Pb, 4 ppm
> Cu, 8 ppm
> Sn, 1 ppm
> Al, 9 ppm
> Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> ------------------------------------------
> 1999 Honda Civic
> 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> No fuel or oil additives
> NAPA Gold oil filter
> OEM air filter
> Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> Average of 366 miles per week
> No top up oil
> Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> This car is driven mostly on the highway
> (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
>
> Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> 8000 miles 5500 miles
> .
> Iron 19 14
> Lead 10 4.5
> Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> Copper 3.8 3.0
> Silicon 8 11
> Nickel 0.1 0
> Chromium 3 0.8
> Titanium 0.1 0
> Tin 0.2 0
> Silver 0.4 0.2
> Vanadium 0.2 0
> Potassium 0 0
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> parts.
>
> Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> don't have enough strength,
> also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> with high temperature from engine block and oil.
>
> Try to use the oil filter magnet
> after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> Simply, It works.
>
> BE.
>
>

 

"marvin shostack" <marvinshos@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bea09189.0309050747.77be72f3@posting.google.c om...
> "BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
news:<qqydnbZLxOC1x8WiU-KYgw@magma.ca>...
> > "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> > news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
> > > "BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
> > news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> > > > If you want ..
> > > > to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly
engine
> > > > problems.
> > > > to make your engine oil cleaner.
> > > > to reduce engine wear and friction.
> > > > to extend your engine and transmission life.
> > > >
> > > > then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> > > > http://www.turbo-mag.ca
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't
worth
> > it.
> > >
>
> What are the
> > > Chip
> >
> > Thank you for your opinoins...
> >
> > Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> > Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> > The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> > can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> > performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> > stuck/broken piston rings etc...
> >
> > Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> > -----------------------------------------
> > 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> > 80% city/20% highway driving
> > Miles on engine, 26000
> > miles on oil, 7200
> > No makeup oil added
> > OEM paper air filter
> > SDF-57 oil filter
> >
> > Wear Metals
> >
> > Fe, 21 ppm
> > Cr, 0 ppm
> > Pb, 4 ppm
> > Cu, 8 ppm
> > Sn, 1 ppm
> > Al, 9 ppm
> > Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> > ------------------------------------------
> > 1999 Honda Civic
> > 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> > 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> > 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> > No fuel or oil additives
> > NAPA Gold oil filter
> > OEM air filter
> > Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> > Average of 366 miles per week
> > No top up oil
> > Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> > This car is driven mostly on the highway
> > (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> > This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> > TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
> >
> > Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> > 8000 miles 5500 miles
> > .
> > Iron 19 14
> > Lead 10 4.5
> > Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> > Copper 3.8 3.0
> > Silicon 8 11
> > Nickel 0.1 0
> > Chromium 3 0.8
> > Titanium 0.1 0
> > Tin 0.2 0
> > Silver 0.4 0.2
> > Vanadium 0.2 0
> > Potassium 0 0
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
> > Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> > Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> > such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> > since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> > parts.
> >
> > Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> > don't have enough strength,
> > also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> > with high temperature from engine block and oil.
> >
> > Try to use the oil filter magnet
> > after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> > then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> > Simply, It works.
> >
> > BE.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To quote your words, Let's see some of the used oil analysisis with
> the Magnet as a comparison. Are you saying the filter normally passes
> microscopic iron particles? Most probably the iron particles will be
> trapped in the filter. Is your analysis sample from the oil pan or the
> filter?

Thanks for your opinion.

Those used oil analyses I mentioned was found at an internet forum
talking about their oil analysis result without any oil filter magnets.

I quoted them in order to say that engines generate
plenty of magnetic metal, not only Aluminium 99%.
People send their oil samples from the oil pan to the analysis laboratory.

Pass? Yes, it does.
Filters let microscopic particles pass naturally.
Oil filters are made to catch particles normally larger than
10 ~ 40 microns range depending on the model and make.
Oil filter manufacturers certainly CAN make finer paper filter
to catch all the micro particles. But they DON'T and CAN'T.
Because making those filter will severely restrict
the engine's oil flow and pressure and will make another big problems
(oil starvation and engine failure).

Therefore micro abrasive particles continue its circulation with the oil,
passing between piston rings and cylinder walls as well as
through all the softer materials of bearings, valve train, timing gears and
oil pump.
They scratch and grind into the parts and generate more particles,
thereby causing major engine wear result in
Excessive oil consumption, Abnormal engine noise,
Performance problems, Oil pressure, Abnormal operating temperatures
or Stuck/broken piston rings.

Finally, a couple of hundreds to thousands will be payable to rebuilt.

BE.
www.turbo-mag.ca

 

"marvin shostack" <marvinshos@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bea09189.0309050747.77be72f3@posting.google.c om...
> "BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
news:<qqydnbZLxOC1x8WiU-KYgw@magma.ca>...
> > "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> > news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
> > > "BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
> > news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> > > > If you want ..
> > > > to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly
engine
> > > > problems.
> > > > to make your engine oil cleaner.
> > > > to reduce engine wear and friction.
> > > > to extend your engine and transmission life.
> > > >
> > > > then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> > > > http://www.turbo-mag.ca
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't
worth
> > it.
> > >
>
> What are the
> > > Chip
> >
> > Thank you for your opinoins...
> >
> > Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> > Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> > The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> > can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> > performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> > stuck/broken piston rings etc...
> >
> > Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> > -----------------------------------------
> > 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> > 80% city/20% highway driving
> > Miles on engine, 26000
> > miles on oil, 7200
> > No makeup oil added
> > OEM paper air filter
> > SDF-57 oil filter
> >
> > Wear Metals
> >
> > Fe, 21 ppm
> > Cr, 0 ppm
> > Pb, 4 ppm
> > Cu, 8 ppm
> > Sn, 1 ppm
> > Al, 9 ppm
> > Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> > ------------------------------------------
> > 1999 Honda Civic
> > 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> > 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> > 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> > No fuel or oil additives
> > NAPA Gold oil filter
> > OEM air filter
> > Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> > Average of 366 miles per week
> > No top up oil
> > Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> > This car is driven mostly on the highway
> > (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> > This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> > TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
> >
> > Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> > 8000 miles 5500 miles
> > .
> > Iron 19 14
> > Lead 10 4.5
> > Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> > Copper 3.8 3.0
> > Silicon 8 11
> > Nickel 0.1 0
> > Chromium 3 0.8
> > Titanium 0.1 0
> > Tin 0.2 0
> > Silver 0.4 0.2
> > Vanadium 0.2 0
> > Potassium 0 0
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
> > Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> > Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> > such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> > since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> > parts.
> >
> > Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> > don't have enough strength,
> > also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> > with high temperature from engine block and oil.
> >
> > Try to use the oil filter magnet
> > after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> > then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> > Simply, It works.
> >
> > BE.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To quote your words, Let's see some of the used oil analysisis with
> the Magnet as a comparison. Are you saying the filter normally passes
> microscopic iron particles? Most probably the iron particles will be
> trapped in the filter. Is your analysis sample from the oil pan or the
> filter?

Thanks for your opinion.

Those used oil analyses I mentioned was found at an internet forum
talking about their oil analysis result without any oil filter magnets.

I quoted them in order to say that engines generate
plenty of magnetic metal, not only Aluminium 99%.
People send their oil samples from the oil pan to the analysis laboratory.

Pass? Yes, it does.
Filters let microscopic particles pass naturally.
Oil filters are made to catch particles normally larger than
10 ~ 40 microns range depending on the model and make.
Oil filter manufacturers certainly CAN make finer paper filter
to catch all the micro particles. But they DON'T and CAN'T.
Because making those filter will severely restrict
the engine's oil flow and pressure and will make another big problems
(oil starvation and engine failure).

Therefore micro abrasive particles continue its circulation with the oil,
passing between piston rings and cylinder walls as well as
through all the softer materials of bearings, valve train, timing gears and
oil pump.
They scratch and grind into the parts and generate more particles,
thereby causing major engine wear result in
Excessive oil consumption, Abnormal engine noise,
Performance problems, Oil pressure, Abnormal operating temperatures
or Stuck/broken piston rings.

Finally, a couple of hundreds to thousands will be payable to rebuilt.

BE.
www.turbo-mag.ca

 

Yes, Engine wear happens when engine runs
without oil pressure(dry/cold start)
but, also with contaminated oil.

The preoiler would be a good idea for a pleasure driven car
that might only get driven on weekends in cold weather,

However, preoiler costs $500 easy.
and, installation and maintenance are another costs and hassles.
and, it's not portable to a new car.

Regular oil/filter change will go a long way for some,
but not for the others.

BE.

"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:1Wa6b.4586$J6.4055@pd7tw3no...
> Hi,
> My understanding is engine wear mostly occurs when you start engine
> (particularly in COLD) There is such a thing like oil primer.
> You install an electric driven pump which will circulate oil before
> you start engine. The first few seconds until the oil starts circulating
> after engine starts running is the damaging time.
> But no matter what, regualr oil/filter change will go a long way.
> Tony
>
> BE wrote:
>
> > "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> > news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
> >
> >>"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
> >
> > news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> >
> >>>If you want ..
> >>>to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly
engine
> >>>problems.
> >>>to make your engine oil cleaner.
> >>>to reduce engine wear and friction.
> >>>to extend your engine and transmission life.
> >>>
> >>>then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> >>>http://www.turbo-mag.ca
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't
worth
> >
> > it.
> >
> >> Chip
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your opinoins...
> >
> > Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> > Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> > The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> > can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> > performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> > stuck/broken piston rings etc...
> >
> > Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> > -----------------------------------------
> > 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> > 80% city/20% highway driving
> > Miles on engine, 26000
> > miles on oil, 7200
> > No makeup oil added
> > OEM paper air filter
> > SDF-57 oil filter
> >
> > Wear Metals
> >
> > Fe, 21 ppm
> > Cr, 0 ppm
> > Pb, 4 ppm
> > Cu, 8 ppm
> > Sn, 1 ppm
> > Al, 9 ppm
> > Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> > ------------------------------------------
> > 1999 Honda Civic
> > 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> > 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> > 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> > No fuel or oil additives
> > NAPA Gold oil filter
> > OEM air filter
> > Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> > Average of 366 miles per week
> > No top up oil
> > Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> > This car is driven mostly on the highway
> > (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> > This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> > TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
> >
> > Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> > 8000 miles 5500 miles
> > .
> > Iron 19 14
> > Lead 10 4.5
> > Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> > Copper 3.8 3.0
> > Silicon 8 11
> > Nickel 0.1 0
> > Chromium 3 0.8
> > Titanium 0.1 0
> > Tin 0.2 0
> > Silver 0.4 0.2
> > Vanadium 0.2 0
> > Potassium 0 0
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
> > Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> > Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> > such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> > since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> > parts.
> >
> > Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> > don't have enough strength,
> > also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> > with high temperature from engine block and oil.
> >
> > Try to use the oil filter magnet
> > after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> > then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> > Simply, It works.
> >
> > BE.

 

Yes, Engine wear happens when engine runs
without oil pressure(dry/cold start)
but, also with contaminated oil.

The preoiler would be a good idea for a pleasure driven car
that might only get driven on weekends in cold weather,

However, preoiler costs $500 easy.
and, installation and maintenance are another costs and hassles.
and, it's not portable to a new car.

Regular oil/filter change will go a long way for some,
but not for the others.

BE.

"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:1Wa6b.4586$J6.4055@pd7tw3no...
> Hi,
> My understanding is engine wear mostly occurs when you start engine
> (particularly in COLD) There is such a thing like oil primer.
> You install an electric driven pump which will circulate oil before
> you start engine. The first few seconds until the oil starts circulating
> after engine starts running is the damaging time.
> But no matter what, regualr oil/filter change will go a long way.
> Tony
>
> BE wrote:
>
> > "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> > news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
> >
> >>"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
> >
> > news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> >
> >>>If you want ..
> >>>to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly
engine
> >>>problems.
> >>>to make your engine oil cleaner.
> >>>to reduce engine wear and friction.
> >>>to extend your engine and transmission life.
> >>>
> >>>then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> >>>http://www.turbo-mag.ca
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't
worth
> >
> > it.
> >
> >> Chip
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your opinoins...
> >
> > Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> > Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> > The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> > can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> > performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> > stuck/broken piston rings etc...
> >
> > Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> > -----------------------------------------
> > 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> > 80% city/20% highway driving
> > Miles on engine, 26000
> > miles on oil, 7200
> > No makeup oil added
> > OEM paper air filter
> > SDF-57 oil filter
> >
> > Wear Metals
> >
> > Fe, 21 ppm
> > Cr, 0 ppm
> > Pb, 4 ppm
> > Cu, 8 ppm
> > Sn, 1 ppm
> > Al, 9 ppm
> > Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> > ------------------------------------------
> > 1999 Honda Civic
> > 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> > 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> > 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> > No fuel or oil additives
> > NAPA Gold oil filter
> > OEM air filter
> > Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> > Average of 366 miles per week
> > No top up oil
> > Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> > This car is driven mostly on the highway
> > (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> > This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> > TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
> >
> > Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> > 8000 miles 5500 miles
> > .
> > Iron 19 14
> > Lead 10 4.5
> > Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> > Copper 3.8 3.0
> > Silicon 8 11
> > Nickel 0.1 0
> > Chromium 3 0.8
> > Titanium 0.1 0
> > Tin 0.2 0
> > Silver 0.4 0.2
> > Vanadium 0.2 0
> > Potassium 0 0
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
> > Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> > Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> > such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> > since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> > parts.
> >
> > Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> > don't have enough strength,
> > also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> > with high temperature from engine block and oil.
> >
> > Try to use the oil filter magnet
> > after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> > then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> > Simply, It works.
> >
> > BE.

 

"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in news:TFadnZgm_cTN2cSiXTWJiQ@magma.ca:

---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> To quote your words, Let's see some of the used oil analysisis with
>> the Magnet as a comparison. Are you saying the filter normally passes
>> microscopic iron particles? Most probably the iron particles will be
>> trapped in the filter. Is your analysis sample from the oil pan or
>> the filter?
>
> Thanks for your opinion.
>
> Those used oil analyses I mentioned was found at an internet forum
> talking about their oil analysis result without any oil filter
> magnets.
>
> I quoted them in order to say that engines generate
> plenty of magnetic metal, not only Aluminium 99%.
> People send their oil samples from the oil pan to the analysis
> laboratory.
>
> Pass? Yes, it does.
> Filters let microscopic particles pass naturally.
> Oil filters are made to catch particles normally larger than
> 10 ~ 40 microns range depending on the model and make.
> Oil filter manufacturers certainly CAN make finer paper filter
> to catch all the micro particles. But they DON'T and CAN'T.
> Because making those filter will severely restrict
> the engine's oil flow and pressure and will make another big problems
> (oil starvation and engine failure).
>
> Therefore micro abrasive particles continue its circulation with the
> oil, passing between piston rings and cylinder walls as well as
> through all the softer materials of bearings, valve train, timing
> gears and oil pump.
> They scratch and grind into the parts and generate more particles,
> thereby causing major engine wear result in
> Excessive oil consumption, Abnormal engine noise,
> Performance problems, Oil pressure, Abnormal operating temperatures
> or Stuck/broken piston rings.
>
> Finally, a couple of hundreds to thousands will be payable to rebuilt.
>
> BE.
> www.turbo-mag.ca
>
>

You still avoid giving a straight answer to the poster.

Please give an oil analysis from an engine which has had your magnet
installed, and compare it to an oil analysis from an engine that has not
had one installed.

Thank you

 

"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in news:TFadnZgm_cTN2cSiXTWJiQ@magma.ca:

---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> To quote your words, Let's see some of the used oil analysisis with
>> the Magnet as a comparison. Are you saying the filter normally passes
>> microscopic iron particles? Most probably the iron particles will be
>> trapped in the filter. Is your analysis sample from the oil pan or
>> the filter?
>
> Thanks for your opinion.
>
> Those used oil analyses I mentioned was found at an internet forum
> talking about their oil analysis result without any oil filter
> magnets.
>
> I quoted them in order to say that engines generate
> plenty of magnetic metal, not only Aluminium 99%.
> People send their oil samples from the oil pan to the analysis
> laboratory.
>
> Pass? Yes, it does.
> Filters let microscopic particles pass naturally.
> Oil filters are made to catch particles normally larger than
> 10 ~ 40 microns range depending on the model and make.
> Oil filter manufacturers certainly CAN make finer paper filter
> to catch all the micro particles. But they DON'T and CAN'T.
> Because making those filter will severely restrict
> the engine's oil flow and pressure and will make another big problems
> (oil starvation and engine failure).
>
> Therefore micro abrasive particles continue its circulation with the
> oil, passing between piston rings and cylinder walls as well as
> through all the softer materials of bearings, valve train, timing
> gears and oil pump.
> They scratch and grind into the parts and generate more particles,
> thereby causing major engine wear result in
> Excessive oil consumption, Abnormal engine noise,
> Performance problems, Oil pressure, Abnormal operating temperatures
> or Stuck/broken piston rings.
>
> Finally, a couple of hundreds to thousands will be payable to rebuilt.
>
> BE.
> www.turbo-mag.ca
>
>

You still avoid giving a straight answer to the poster.

Please give an oil analysis from an engine which has had your magnet
installed, and compare it to an oil analysis from an engine that has not
had one installed.

Thank you

 

"BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in news:TFadnZgm_cTN2cSiXTWJiQ@magma.ca:

---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> To quote your words, Let's see some of the used oil analysisis with
>> the Magnet as a comparison. Are you saying the filter normally passes
>> microscopic iron particles? Most probably the iron particles will be
>> trapped in the filter. Is your analysis sample from the oil pan or
>> the filter?
>
> Thanks for your opinion.
>
> Those used oil analyses I mentioned was found at an internet forum
> talking about their oil analysis result without any oil filter
> magnets.
>
> I quoted them in order to say that engines generate
> plenty of magnetic metal, not only Aluminium 99%.
> People send their oil samples from the oil pan to the analysis
> laboratory.
>
> Pass? Yes, it does.
> Filters let microscopic particles pass naturally.
> Oil filters are made to catch particles normally larger than
> 10 ~ 40 microns range depending on the model and make.
> Oil filter manufacturers certainly CAN make finer paper filter
> to catch all the micro particles. But they DON'T and CAN'T.
> Because making those filter will severely restrict
> the engine's oil flow and pressure and will make another big problems
> (oil starvation and engine failure).
>
> Therefore micro abrasive particles continue its circulation with the
> oil, passing between piston rings and cylinder walls as well as
> through all the softer materials of bearings, valve train, timing
> gears and oil pump.
> They scratch and grind into the parts and generate more particles,
> thereby causing major engine wear result in
> Excessive oil consumption, Abnormal engine noise,
> Performance problems, Oil pressure, Abnormal operating temperatures
> or Stuck/broken piston rings.
>
> Finally, a couple of hundreds to thousands will be payable to rebuilt.
>
> BE.
> www.turbo-mag.ca
>
>

You still avoid giving a straight answer to the poster.

Please give an oil analysis from an engine which has had your magnet
installed, and compare it to an oil analysis from an engine that has not
had one installed.

Thank you

 

> Please give an oil analysis from an engine which has had your magnet
> installed, and compare it to an oil analysis from an engine that has not
> had one installed.


if the pan is steel, just sticking a speaker magnet on the outside should do
the trick.

 

> Please give an oil analysis from an engine which has had your magnet
> installed, and compare it to an oil analysis from an engine that has not
> had one installed.


if the pan is steel, just sticking a speaker magnet on the outside should do
the trick.

 

> Please give an oil analysis from an engine which has had your magnet
> installed, and compare it to an oil analysis from an engine that has not
> had one installed.


if the pan is steel, just sticking a speaker magnet on the outside should do
the trick.

 

you know that magnetic force from a permanent ferrous magnet is only a few
gauss and pretty useless.

Went to the website and it claims 'rare earth' metal magnets. Although new
rare earth permanent magnets are in the order of 2000+ gauss, and indeed
have the bonding strength to trap a few particles.

http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/A...,11504,00.html

However I don't think these magnets are cheap enough to mass produce,
because theyre mostly cooked up in materials labs (in the order of
hundreds of thousands of dollars). Secondly, the internal pressure and
force inside a engine is pretty high; with the viscosity in the oil, and
high rate of flow from the pressure, i doubt more than a few
micro particles will cling to the inside of the filter with the magnet
cap.

even if you put a high powered speaker magnet to the bottom of your oil
pan, the magnet is not strong enough to bond particles, esp when the
horizontal force of pressure and flow prevents particles from sticking.

A solution would be to have a few capacitors store charge form the
electrical system of the car, and discharge a high voltage current to a
electromagnet device on the oil filter. Of course the forces involved
would definately trap contaminents, however i believe the EMF and other
fields geenrated by sucha high powered magnet, would distrupt teh
alternator, and otehr electronic parts of your car.

in other words... . . . I doubt this device works.

your better off changing your oil regularly, and using oil that doesnt
become too acidic when it chemically reacts to the metal yoru engine is
made of.

aluminum becomes really acidic with reg dino oil. Good to use synthetic.
Iron reacts differently.. I dont remember on top of my head if synthetic
or reg is better.

i personally use cheap oil, and change regularly (~2500-3000) miles to
prevent drastic changes in oil ph, and to keep contaminents low.

you know microparticles do float around in your oil and settle to the
bottom of your oil pan, and the best way to get rid of them is to
change your oil regularly (its like cleaning out a fish tank).

my 2 cents. =)



On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, BE wrote:

> "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> news:5ddcea74.0309041546.609ca0a0@posting.google.c om...
> > "BE" <spam@scare.me> wrote in message
> news:<CPKcncGBMJY34MqiU-KYvA@magma.ca>...
> > > If you want ..
> > > to protect your vehicle from the wear, friction, noise and costly engine
> > > problems.
> > > to make your engine oil cleaner.
> > > to reduce engine wear and friction.
> > > to extend your engine and transmission life.
> > >
> > > then, check this out, and put it on your oil filter.
> > > http://www.turbo-mag.ca
> > >
> >
> >
> > 99% of what wears in this engine is aluminum. those magnets aren't worth
> it.
> >
> > Chip
>
> Thank you for your opinoins...
>
> Iron (magnetic) and steel alloy is being used in many engine parts.
> Even aluminum blocks use iron cylinder sleeves.
> The wear of these cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump etc...
> can cause excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,
> performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures,
> stuck/broken piston rings etc...
>
> Let's see some of the used oil analysis;
> -----------------------------------------
> 2001 Camry, V-6 engine ....
> 80% city/20% highway driving
> Miles on engine, 26000
> miles on oil, 7200
> No makeup oil added
> OEM paper air filter
> SDF-57 oil filter
>
> Wear Metals
>
> Fe, 21 ppm
> Cr, 0 ppm
> Pb, 4 ppm
> Cu, 8 ppm
> Sn, 1 ppm
> Al, 9 ppm
> Ni/Ag/Mn, 0 ppm
> ------------------------------------------
> 1999 Honda Civic
> 106hp, 1.6L engine, 5 speed manual
> 0w30 Castrol Syntec
> 5500 miles on oil/47,000 miles on engine
> No fuel or oil additives
> NAPA Gold oil filter
> OEM air filter
> Oil was run from March 23 to July 3 (15 weeks)
> Average of 366 miles per week
> No top up oil
> Oil capacity is 4.2 qts
> This car is driven mostly on the highway
> (but with lots of stop and go/heavy traffic)
> This was the first interval with this oil, previous oil was SL formula
> TriSynthetic Mobil 1 5w30
>
> Mobil 1 5w30 Castrol 0w30
> 8000 miles 5500 miles
> .
> Iron 19 14
> Lead 10 4.5
> Aluminum 5.2 2.5
> Copper 3.8 3.0
> Silicon 8 11
> Nickel 0.1 0
> Chromium 3 0.8
> Titanium 0.1 0
> Tin 0.2 0
> Silver 0.4 0.2
> Vanadium 0.2 0
> Potassium 0 0
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Fe(iron) is magnetic and the most wear in thses casees.
> Unfortunatly, Iron can cause more wear of non-magnetic metal
> such as Cu(Copper) and Al(Aluminuim),
> since iron and steel is harder than them and circulating in the engine
> parts.
>
> Regular magnets from computer hard drive or toy
> don't have enough strength,
> also, they lose a great deal of magnetic strength
> with high temperature from engine block and oil.
>
> Try to use the oil filter magnet
> after thousands miles driving, cut and open your oil filter,
> then you'll see what is in it for sure.
> Simply, It works.
>
> BE.
>
>
>