"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

> > Nope, normal. My Accord does this. The car thinks you walked away
without
> > locking it.

> That must be controllable by the owner, then. No way does a car lock
> itself without some positive action on the driver/owner's part.

Sad, but some will do this. I once drove a rental Grand Prix in 1999 and it
did just that. It was *very* frustrating, especially since it had no remote.






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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

> > Nope, normal. My Accord does this. The car thinks you walked away
without
> > locking it.

> That must be controllable by the owner, then. No way does a car lock
> itself without some positive action on the driver/owner's part.

Sad, but some will do this. I once drove a rental Grand Prix in 1999 and it
did just that. It was *very* frustrating, especially since it had no remote.






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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Xns955D19C53A516XZLKJOIDUKLJ098098@24.24.2.167> ,
> Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
>>>> the remote control;
>>>
>>> Broken. Fix it--it's under warranty. BUT: step one should always
>>> be, look in the owner's manual. It gives complete and exhaustive
>>> information on how the locking system is supposed to behave. Make
>>> sure you aren't doing something wrong. My guess is you've never
>>> even cracked the owner's manual. Do you even know where it is?
>>>
>>
>> Nope, normal. My Accord does this. The car thinks you walked away
>> without locking it.
>
> That must be controllable by the owner, then. No way does a car lock
> itself without some positive action on the driver/owner's part.

My 04 will relock itself if it is unlocked and the door is not opened in
about 1 minute. Even if I lower the windows.....

 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Xns955D19C53A516XZLKJOIDUKLJ098098@24.24.2.167> ,
> Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>>> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
>>>> the remote control;
>>>
>>> Broken. Fix it--it's under warranty. BUT: step one should always
>>> be, look in the owner's manual. It gives complete and exhaustive
>>> information on how the locking system is supposed to behave. Make
>>> sure you aren't doing something wrong. My guess is you've never
>>> even cracked the owner's manual. Do you even know where it is?
>>>
>>
>> Nope, normal. My Accord does this. The car thinks you walked away
>> without locking it.
>
> That must be controllable by the owner, then. No way does a car lock
> itself without some positive action on the driver/owner's part.

My 04 will relock itself if it is unlocked and the door is not opened in
about 1 minute. Even if I lower the windows.....

 

Randy Hunt wrote:
> In article <elmop-2CDB00.06462607092004@text.usenetserver.com>,
> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>> In article <Xns955D19C53A516XZLKJOIDUKLJ098098@24.24.2.167> ,
>> Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
>>>>> the remote control;
>>>>
>>>> Broken. Fix it--it's under warranty. BUT: step one should
>>>> always be, look in the owner's manual. It gives complete and
>>>> exhaustive information on how the locking system is supposed to
>>>> behave. Make sure you aren't doing something wrong. My guess is
>>>> you've never even cracked the owner's manual. Do you even know
>>>> where it is?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, normal. My Accord does this. The car thinks you walked away
>>> without locking it.
>>
>> That must be controllable by the owner, then. No way does a car lock
>> itself without some positive action on the driver/owner's part.
>>
>>
> I have a 2000 that will relock itself if I don't open the door after
> unlocking it with in 30 seconds. Does it do this with the key in the
> ignition? It's not suppose to active with the key in the ignition.
>
> Randy

No, it won't (but have a spare just in case when you try it!)

 

Randy Hunt wrote:
> In article <elmop-2CDB00.06462607092004@text.usenetserver.com>,
> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>> In article <Xns955D19C53A516XZLKJOIDUKLJ098098@24.24.2.167> ,
>> Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
>>>>> the remote control;
>>>>
>>>> Broken. Fix it--it's under warranty. BUT: step one should
>>>> always be, look in the owner's manual. It gives complete and
>>>> exhaustive information on how the locking system is supposed to
>>>> behave. Make sure you aren't doing something wrong. My guess is
>>>> you've never even cracked the owner's manual. Do you even know
>>>> where it is?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, normal. My Accord does this. The car thinks you walked away
>>> without locking it.
>>
>> That must be controllable by the owner, then. No way does a car lock
>> itself without some positive action on the driver/owner's part.
>>
>>
> I have a 2000 that will relock itself if I don't open the door after
> unlocking it with in 30 seconds. Does it do this with the key in the
> ignition? It's not suppose to active with the key in the ignition.
>
> Randy

No, it won't (but have a spare just in case when you try it!)

 

In article <sZt%c.21571$vy.14613@attbi_s52>,
"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote:

> >>>> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
> >>>> the remote control;
> >>>
> >>> Broken. Fix it--it's under warranty. BUT: step one should always
> >>> be, look in the owner's manual. It gives complete and exhaustive
> >>> information on how the locking system is supposed to behave. Make
> >>> sure you aren't doing something wrong. My guess is you've never
> >>> even cracked the owner's manual. Do you even know where it is?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nope, normal. My Accord does this. The car thinks you walked away
> >> without locking it.
> >
> > That must be controllable by the owner, then. No way does a car lock
> > itself without some positive action on the driver/owner's part.
>
> My 04 will relock itself if it is unlocked and the door is not opened in
> about 1 minute. Even if I lower the windows.....

That's standard Honda behavior. Nice.

But the original claim is that "doors lock after she leaves the car,
without her activating the remote control". That's BROKEN. On a new
car, one should take that to the dealer to be fixed (after reading the
fine owner's manual to make sure one isn't doing something wrong).

 

In article <sZt%c.21571$vy.14613@attbi_s52>,
"L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote:

> >>>> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
> >>>> the remote control;
> >>>
> >>> Broken. Fix it--it's under warranty. BUT: step one should always
> >>> be, look in the owner's manual. It gives complete and exhaustive
> >>> information on how the locking system is supposed to behave. Make
> >>> sure you aren't doing something wrong. My guess is you've never
> >>> even cracked the owner's manual. Do you even know where it is?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nope, normal. My Accord does this. The car thinks you walked away
> >> without locking it.
> >
> > That must be controllable by the owner, then. No way does a car lock
> > itself without some positive action on the driver/owner's part.
>
> My 04 will relock itself if it is unlocked and the door is not opened in
> about 1 minute. Even if I lower the windows.....

That's standard Honda behavior. Nice.

But the original claim is that "doors lock after she leaves the car,
without her activating the remote control". That's BROKEN. On a new
car, one should take that to the dealer to be fixed (after reading the
fine owner's manual to make sure one isn't doing something wrong).

 

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:06:36 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>:|In article <000oj01q6v4q72q21la6f5mlvme81q90aa@4ax.com>,
>:| Andrew J. Rozsa <rozsa@usa.invalid> wrote:
>:|
>:|> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
>:|> the remote control;
>:|
>:|Broken. Fix it--it's under warranty. BUT: step one should always be,
>:|look in the owner's manual. It gives complete and exhaustive
>:|information on how the locking system is supposed to behave.

I am not sure what she's doing. But from what she tells me, if she
takes the keys out of the ignition, and closes (not locks) the doors,
the doors lock all by themselves. According to the manual, this is NOT
a "feature." I told her to take it up with the dealer, just in case
she does some funky sequence which creates this scenario. As she tells
me, it doesn't make any sense. I leave my keys on the console in the
Acura in the garage. It would really **** me up if I had to dig up the
spare just to get into my car in the mornings.

>:|Make sure
>:|you aren't doing something wrong. My guess is you've never even cracked
>:|the owner's manual. Do you even know where it is?

Yup. sure do.

>:|> 2. The interior lights don't stay on when she opens the driver
>:|> door for a prolonged period of time;


>:|See above. On my Honda van, the interior lights go out after 3 or so
>:|minutes. That's a FEATURE, not a problem; it's outlined in that owner's
>:|manual you seem to want to avoid.>:|

This particular issue is not addressed in the manual. You mean to say
that it stands to reason that if you are loading or unloading your car
with only the driver's door open the interior lights go off, so you
have to un/load in the dark? If the passenger door is open, the light
stays on indefinitely. It is not logical.

>:|> 3. The horn sounds when she clicks the second time on the remote
>:|> and the alarm is activated - she wished that it made a quieter sound
>:|> or no sound at all;
>:|
>:|See above. You know that owner's manual? It's pretty clear on all of
>:|this stuff. Let me ask you: why is she clicking on the remote a second
>:|time? There's no need; the first click locks the car. [....]
>:|What does she *think* she's getting with that second click?

You are absolutely correct. Older alarms (which my dad has been
installing for many years), required a second click to set the alarm.
This is clearly not the case in the recent Honda cars. Thanks for
clarifying it for us.

With the Acura, I click the second time to turn off the lights
immediately, although I don't have to, since they will turn off after
the programmed 30 seconds anyway. Force of habit, I guess.

>:|> 4. She has found no way to turn off the Navigator -
>:|What does the owner's manual say?

Right you are. The Navigator manual is quite clear. Setup/Display Off,
either manually or with voice command.

>:|How did you find out about that "programming for everything"?

There is a nifty little screen on the a secondary display in the dash
that WALKS you through the set-up: seats, mirrors, interior lights,
doors, radio stations, headlights, etc. All are adjustable and keyed
to the remote you use to unlock the car. For instance if I (Driver 1)
put the car in Park, all doors unlock. In Drive, none do, unless the
doors are opened manually. Interior lights stay on if any doors are
opened. They come on if I unlock the doors. Driver 2's configuration
can be completely different. Didn't need the manual. It's intuitive
and simple.

Thanks for the cogent reply. Got me looking at her manual and I put
some stickies pointing to the relevant passages.


Best,

Andrew

--


Birmingham, Alabama, USA
rozsa@usa.invalid

 

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:06:36 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>:|In article <000oj01q6v4q72q21la6f5mlvme81q90aa@4ax.com>,
>:| Andrew J. Rozsa <rozsa@usa.invalid> wrote:
>:|
>:|> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
>:|> the remote control;
>:|
>:|Broken. Fix it--it's under warranty. BUT: step one should always be,
>:|look in the owner's manual. It gives complete and exhaustive
>:|information on how the locking system is supposed to behave.

I am not sure what she's doing. But from what she tells me, if she
takes the keys out of the ignition, and closes (not locks) the doors,
the doors lock all by themselves. According to the manual, this is NOT
a "feature." I told her to take it up with the dealer, just in case
she does some funky sequence which creates this scenario. As she tells
me, it doesn't make any sense. I leave my keys on the console in the
Acura in the garage. It would really **** me up if I had to dig up the
spare just to get into my car in the mornings.

>:|Make sure
>:|you aren't doing something wrong. My guess is you've never even cracked
>:|the owner's manual. Do you even know where it is?

Yup. sure do.

>:|> 2. The interior lights don't stay on when she opens the driver
>:|> door for a prolonged period of time;


>:|See above. On my Honda van, the interior lights go out after 3 or so
>:|minutes. That's a FEATURE, not a problem; it's outlined in that owner's
>:|manual you seem to want to avoid.>:|

This particular issue is not addressed in the manual. You mean to say
that it stands to reason that if you are loading or unloading your car
with only the driver's door open the interior lights go off, so you
have to un/load in the dark? If the passenger door is open, the light
stays on indefinitely. It is not logical.

>:|> 3. The horn sounds when she clicks the second time on the remote
>:|> and the alarm is activated - she wished that it made a quieter sound
>:|> or no sound at all;
>:|
>:|See above. You know that owner's manual? It's pretty clear on all of
>:|this stuff. Let me ask you: why is she clicking on the remote a second
>:|time? There's no need; the first click locks the car. [....]
>:|What does she *think* she's getting with that second click?

You are absolutely correct. Older alarms (which my dad has been
installing for many years), required a second click to set the alarm.
This is clearly not the case in the recent Honda cars. Thanks for
clarifying it for us.

With the Acura, I click the second time to turn off the lights
immediately, although I don't have to, since they will turn off after
the programmed 30 seconds anyway. Force of habit, I guess.

>:|> 4. She has found no way to turn off the Navigator -
>:|What does the owner's manual say?

Right you are. The Navigator manual is quite clear. Setup/Display Off,
either manually or with voice command.

>:|How did you find out about that "programming for everything"?

There is a nifty little screen on the a secondary display in the dash
that WALKS you through the set-up: seats, mirrors, interior lights,
doors, radio stations, headlights, etc. All are adjustable and keyed
to the remote you use to unlock the car. For instance if I (Driver 1)
put the car in Park, all doors unlock. In Drive, none do, unless the
doors are opened manually. Interior lights stay on if any doors are
opened. They come on if I unlock the doors. Driver 2's configuration
can be completely different. Didn't need the manual. It's intuitive
and simple.

Thanks for the cogent reply. Got me looking at her manual and I put
some stickies pointing to the relevant passages.


Best,

Andrew

--


Birmingham, Alabama, USA
rozsa@usa.invalid

 

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:29:23 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:

>:|On 9/6/04 1:14 AM, in article 000oj01q6v4q72q21la6f5mlvme81q90aa@4ax.com,
>:|"Andrew J. Rozsa" <rozsa@usa.invalid> wrote:

>:|> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
>:|> the remote control;
>:|
>:|That sounds like a bug in the system. She should have the dealer look at
>:|it.

Thanks. I think you are right.

>:|> 3. The horn sounds when she clicks the second time on the remote
>:|> and the alarm is activated - she wished that it made a quieter sound
>:|> or no sound at all;
>:|
>:|The alarm activates the first time you push the lock button.

We were falling back on habits with older alarms. Thanks for the
pointer.

>:|> 4. She has found no way to turn off the Navigator - she is

>:|I agree this is an irritating quirk of the Honda Nav systems. Nothing can

It is mentioned in the (separate) Navigator manual. It is buried among
a list of Setup commands. It is simply: Setup/Display Off, in either
manual or voice command modes.

I am grateful for you taking the time to help.


Best,

Andrew

--


Birmingham, Alabama, USA
rozsa@usa.invalid

 

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:29:23 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:

>:|On 9/6/04 1:14 AM, in article 000oj01q6v4q72q21la6f5mlvme81q90aa@4ax.com,
>:|"Andrew J. Rozsa" <rozsa@usa.invalid> wrote:

>:|> 1. Doors lock after she leaves the car, without her activating
>:|> the remote control;
>:|
>:|That sounds like a bug in the system. She should have the dealer look at
>:|it.

Thanks. I think you are right.

>:|> 3. The horn sounds when she clicks the second time on the remote
>:|> and the alarm is activated - she wished that it made a quieter sound
>:|> or no sound at all;
>:|
>:|The alarm activates the first time you push the lock button.

We were falling back on habits with older alarms. Thanks for the
pointer.

>:|> 4. She has found no way to turn off the Navigator - she is

>:|I agree this is an irritating quirk of the Honda Nav systems. Nothing can

It is mentioned in the (separate) Navigator manual. It is buried among
a list of Setup commands. It is simply: Setup/Display Off, in either
manual or voice command modes.

I am grateful for you taking the time to help.


Best,

Andrew

--


Birmingham, Alabama, USA
rozsa@usa.invalid

 

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:28:05 -0400, "Honda Doc"
<tophondadoc@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:

>:|All these things are normal operation. She can turn off the Navi, just read
>:|the manual.

[sheepishly] Clearly, you are absolutely correct about the Nav.
Setup/Display Off.

Thanks for driving me to the Nav manual.


Best,

Andrew

--


Birmingham, Alabama, USA
rozsa@usa.invalid

 

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:28:05 -0400, "Honda Doc"
<tophondadoc@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:

>:|All these things are normal operation. She can turn off the Navi, just read
>:|the manual.

[sheepishly] Clearly, you are absolutely correct about the Nav.
Setup/Display Off.

Thanks for driving me to the Nav manual.


Best,

Andrew

--


Birmingham, Alabama, USA
rozsa@usa.invalid

 

On 9/7/04 10:52 PM, in article vb0tj01e2v3vhdhm7j6vop7kco0b5fd3ue@4ax.com,
"Andrew J. Rozsa" <rozsa@usa.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:28:05 -0400, "Honda Doc"
> <tophondadoc@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> :|All these things are normal operation. She can turn off the Navi, just read
>> :|the manual.
>
> [sheepishly] Clearly, you are absolutely correct about the Nav.
> Setup/Display Off.
>
> Thanks for driving me to the Nav manual.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Andrew


Glad to hear they finally did something about that. There is no such
command on my '00 TL Nav.