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This guy decided racing on a busy yonge st would be a good idea for some reason, and now an innocent couple is dead.

Just wondering if there's another side to this story, because all we're hearing is the media's side of it.

For those who don't already know, it was a red 92-95 hatch vs a Del Sol. The red hatch smoked a hyundai killing a married couple celebrating their 17th anniversary.

They had a 7 year old daughter.

 
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It's such a shame that the idiots never die, always the innocent.

 
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Someone on another board claimed to know both honda drivers.

One was going in for plastic surgery today or something...

 
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Why? To change his face so relatives of the dead couple won't easily recognize him on the street?

 
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this really pisses me off... why cant these stupid kids do it right? street racing will always be dangerous and illegal.... why not reduce the risks and use a secluded area with nobody around? sure its not 100% safe.. but at least the dangers can be minimized to hurting only yourselves and not some poor innocent person that has no idea that you are driving like an ***.
why are you kids so stupid?

 
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I guess it's ok when the victims are just people coming off shift from their jobs in industrial areas.

Why not just exercise some self-control and save it for the track? There are plenty of test and tune days available if you want to run your car in a safe environment where there is NO risk of running into some hapless innocent.

 
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Racing On Busy streets is f'ing stupid.

What the F is wrong with theses kids that think nobodys gonna get hurt when you doing 150km/h + on Yonge. When is Yonge not busy????

Somebody needs a shitkickin.

 
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lets be honest.. thats just simply never going to happen on a grand scale. the FACT is that racing on the street when done safely is of no risk to anyone other than the poeple who CHOOSE to be there. any responsible driver will make certain that they wont hurt anyone. a stupid kid is a weapon sure, but a responsible driver/street racer is just as scared of getting caught by the cops as he is of wrecking his car or hurting himself, or hurting someone else.

dont forget as well that there is still some culpability (no matter how mean that sounds... but lets play lawyerball for a moment here) on the person that actually "caused" the crash. anyone who turns onto a street, or turns across traffic is responsible to make sure their turn is in safety (hmmm sounds like an hta charge doesnt it.....). regardless of conditions, speed of other traffic, traffic control devices etc, the person turning onto the street must be sure of their manouver before making it. in this case the "victim" placed his/her car directly in the path of oncoming traffic... taking a second to judge their speed would have saved their lives! the speed caused the death for sure, and the stupid kids deserve what they get (as long as its alot!), but their "race" certainly did not cause the crash.

 
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It's true, the Hyundai made an illegal turn in front of the Honda's, which of course doesn't excuse the idiot in the honda from doing 150+ on YONGE st, but it does make one wonder why the person behind the wheel wasn't paying attention. Because you would easily notice two cars travelling that fast coming right at you.

It's a shame that a lapse in attention in conjuction with plain idiocy resulted in the death of two parents and the orphaning of a 7 year old.

As for the streetracing on industrial streets being dangerous, of course it is, but nobody has ever been hurt in those situations EVER. Prove me wrong! You can't. Niether could the Toronto Star.

Street racing on "those" streets as well as where I do most of my racing (which is even safer) is no less dangerous than making your standard trip across the 401 dodging blownout truck tires, random debris and the people doing 75 KM/HR in the fast lane.

 
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In a number of US states, you lose all presumed rights of way if you are exceeding the speed limit.

In the case of this crash, you are expected under the HTA to take reasonable precaution (not all possible precautions) to ensure that you can make your turn in safety. You make your decisions based on reasonably expected behaviour on the part of other users on the road. These two idiots doing double the speed limit is not anything that a person should reasonably expect to encounter on the street. When that turn was inititiated, there would have been more than enough room to complete the turn had the two idiot racers been travelling closer to the speed limit.

Regarding "organized" street racing, even here in the GTA - people have been hurt - people have had their cars damaged - but people are real fast about fleeing the scene if possible. So down on the books goes yet another unexplained "single-car" accident.

You say that nobody has been killed yet in "organized" street racing, but tell me, would you stop the day that someone (other than yourself) does? Somehow I doubt it - instead you would probably just start saying "hardly anyone ever gets killed in "organized" street racing.

 
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Not necessarily, especially at night.

Also, you don;t know the road topography at that location. Even a slight bend or slight crest in the road would obscure vision enough to not see approaching traffic until it is too late.

At 80 kmph you would still have time to react accordingly, but at double that speed, you wouldn't, especially given that braking distances at 150 kmph isn't double the distance but often 4 times or more the distance required to brake from 80 kmph. And that's just pure braking distance - it doesn't include the extra distance travelled while you're still trying to interpret what you see in front of you and then move your foot from gas pedal to brake pedal.

 
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Needless to say this was an avoidable death. Street racing is illegal for a reason - unfortunately all enthusiasts are now being painted with the same brush - all are suspected of street racing when the truth is that the majority of enthusiasts ARE NOT street racers. Street racers are SCREWING it for EVERYONE. Take it to the track you ASSCLOWNS!

 
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Have you guys ever stopped saying that it has?

 
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It would be impossible for me to say since it has not happened yet.

Yes I do, actually, it's flat for as far as the eye can see and it's 2 lanes each direction not including turn lanes. They made the turn without noticing the oncoming traffic for whatever reason, but if the honda was travelling @ 80KM/HR like they should have been, maybe they wouldn't be dead. The fault lays mostly on the Honda, don't get me wrong, but both parties could likely have avoided this (from what the newspaper has told us).

No.. Idiots are screwing it for everyone, this was a "red light" streetrace, which very few of the people I know from this site even participate in. Mostly, because they are insanely dangerous.

 
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now normally you have intelligent points to make.. but why are you comparing us to the usa? they are a frightened litigious society who can never be "at fault" for anything.

while your points are certainly valid (and dont for even 1 second think that i am siding with the pieces of that hit the husband and wife), you are clouding this issue with a view from "the perfect world"

yonge and stouffville is pretty much "the country".... 80km/h zones are seen as hwy speeds, and you will rarely have anyone doing less than 100.. how do i know? because i travel these roads on a regular basis.
the time exposed to danger (ted) in a left hand turn is very small as you clear the lanes quite quickly, for you to be hit by a car doing 150 (if he was actually doing that... most witnesses to a vehicular accident exaggerate speeds by at least 10-20% because unless you are trained to read vehicle speed from a standing or moving position you are merely guessing...) you would have been very close to being hit by a car doing 100. what that means is that this guy would have been cutting it close had the vehicles been travelling the "normal" speed on that stretch of road.
it doesnt take much to gauge oncoming vehicle speed, simply looking once, checking for any cross traffic (as any responsible motorist would do while entering an intersection) and looking back to determine the change in distance to the oncoming vehicle would tell you that they are covering ground very quickly.
again, it sure sucks, but had the driver that died been paying attention instead of talking on his cellphone, adjusting the radio station, talking to his wife etc.... he would have noticed the fast cars and not turned.
hell you talk about the speed being out of the ordinary... shouldnt the driver have noticed that something was "out of the ordinary"?
just like the guy that slams on his brakes on the hwy because he wasnt paying attention.. its still the driver behind him thats at fault for hitting him from behind.... unfortunately this guy made a bad driving decision due to his inattentiveness and paid the ultimate price.

as far as the stupid kids... well theres not much to say other than adios... hope you rot and learn your lesson.

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as far as "organized" streetracing goes, i feel much safer (minus the stupid momos) than i do on the hwy most days. most car guys have cars that are in much better condition than the general public, and in most cases are much better drivers. can still happen, but if i am there it is because i CHOOSE to be.. and i CHOOSE to accept the risks.
most of us enjoy watching the cops bust the stupid pieces of that race up and down main roads, do all the stupid parking lot (although it is fun to laugh AT you little faggits) and then we disappear to our own little spots and have some "safe" fun.

now as far as taking reasonable, but not all precautions while driving... how many times have you been a "victim"? i havent... and why? because i take ALL precautions because i know every car around me can hit me, so i pay attention to EVERYTHING. you cannot make driving decisions based on others' "reasonably expected behaviour" because most drivers are NOT driving like its a privilege and like it can be dangerous... you will expect youself right into a crash...as i am sure you have done.