The fight against bill 203
10-07-2007 | 11:51 PM
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The fight against bill 203
Hey Guys
Just though i would share this article I came across with you guys and get some feed back also found a group on facebook fighting back.
Bill 203
Let me preface this by saying I am in favor of punishment for streetracing, but A the punishment must fir the crime and B the punishment should be administered by a system that posses the least amount of biases, not left up to officers that have been jaded by interacting with the public.
So that’s it... I've bit my tongue too long. I agree that street racing is wrong, and there were laws in effect to punish those who got caught, but this new bill 203 has one exactly what the car community has feared. It not only allows profiling, it encourages it and gives the police the authority to arbitrarily apply ludicrous fines to whomever it strikes their fancy.
I've only heard one or two reports about the abuse of power that we feared but even this many abuses is too many.
I understand that most police officers are good people, doing an admirable and thankless job, but to those who abuse their power, the ones whose insecurities make them want to "get back" at those who they envy.
This is the first law that actually scares me; this is a knee jerk reaction to fear mongering by government and social groups and has no place in democratic society. There are so many people that seem to not have any problems in allowing the state to confiscate their personal property, disrupt their lives, and punish them financially without any due process. To me this sounds like a direct violation of the Canadian Charter of rights and Freedoms.
I have a problem with fear mongering in general. It's a weak leader’s way to bring his followers back into line. Much in the same way most religions are fear mongering... do this or your going to hell... we have now entered the zone of if this new law doesn’t come into effect every person is going to die because of a street racer ruining into them.
Better yet I want to know what the criteria for street racing it??? The tragic accident that the two young drivers are being sentenced for this past week is a prime example. The state needed a patsy to make a point so they labeled them street racers and told the media to focus on that, other little details like, the father was over twice the legal limit of blood alcohol and ran a red light making him completely at fault go unnoticed. Instead they are portrayed as wild eyed youths with no concern for human life.
In closing I have only one question, how far are they allowed to go, how much is the public willing to let the state take from them on the sole basis of fear mongering? How long until we fight back?
"The people should not be afraid of its government, the government should be afraid of its people"
The facebook group is Our fight against 203, The canadian fight for Automotive freedom
Just though i would share this article I came across with you guys and get some feed back also found a group on facebook fighting back.
Bill 203
Let me preface this by saying I am in favor of punishment for streetracing, but A the punishment must fir the crime and B the punishment should be administered by a system that posses the least amount of biases, not left up to officers that have been jaded by interacting with the public.
So that’s it... I've bit my tongue too long. I agree that street racing is wrong, and there were laws in effect to punish those who got caught, but this new bill 203 has one exactly what the car community has feared. It not only allows profiling, it encourages it and gives the police the authority to arbitrarily apply ludicrous fines to whomever it strikes their fancy.
I've only heard one or two reports about the abuse of power that we feared but even this many abuses is too many.
I understand that most police officers are good people, doing an admirable and thankless job, but to those who abuse their power, the ones whose insecurities make them want to "get back" at those who they envy.
This is the first law that actually scares me; this is a knee jerk reaction to fear mongering by government and social groups and has no place in democratic society. There are so many people that seem to not have any problems in allowing the state to confiscate their personal property, disrupt their lives, and punish them financially without any due process. To me this sounds like a direct violation of the Canadian Charter of rights and Freedoms.
I have a problem with fear mongering in general. It's a weak leader’s way to bring his followers back into line. Much in the same way most religions are fear mongering... do this or your going to hell... we have now entered the zone of if this new law doesn’t come into effect every person is going to die because of a street racer ruining into them.
Better yet I want to know what the criteria for street racing it??? The tragic accident that the two young drivers are being sentenced for this past week is a prime example. The state needed a patsy to make a point so they labeled them street racers and told the media to focus on that, other little details like, the father was over twice the legal limit of blood alcohol and ran a red light making him completely at fault go unnoticed. Instead they are portrayed as wild eyed youths with no concern for human life.
In closing I have only one question, how far are they allowed to go, how much is the public willing to let the state take from them on the sole basis of fear mongering? How long until we fight back?
"The people should not be afraid of its government, the government should be afraid of its people"
The facebook group is Our fight against 203, The canadian fight for Automotive freedom
10-08-2007 | 12:05 PM
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Google? Clicky on 203
Reading that gave me a head ache and took way too long.
Reading that gave me a head ache and took way too long.
10-12-2007 | 05:27 PM
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if you actually want to do something to support the fight against Bill 203.
Sign up on Semas petition
www.semasan.com
If you do not know what Sema is already it is the biggest automotive trade show in the world specializing in automotive speciality products. The show has more then 100,000 industry leaders from over 100 countries.
Such companies as MSD, Edelbrock, Mr. Gasket, Skunk2 just to name a few.
Sema supports the the fight to change Bill 203 and with your vote the Bill could change.
if you do not know what Bill 203 is already click here
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/about/bill203.htm
Sign up on Semas petition
www.semasan.com
If you do not know what Sema is already it is the biggest automotive trade show in the world specializing in automotive speciality products. The show has more then 100,000 industry leaders from over 100 countries.
Such companies as MSD, Edelbrock, Mr. Gasket, Skunk2 just to name a few.
Sema supports the the fight to change Bill 203 and with your vote the Bill could change.
if you do not know what Bill 203 is already click here
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/about/bill203.htm
10-15-2007 | 11:55 PM
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Rep Power: 716 The only way to change the law now, is to have bill 203 repealed, or to draft further legislation (another bill) which would further amend the highway traffic act and it's associated regulations.
You think the media storm surrounding street racing is unbalanced? What do you think the reaction would be if a politician or political party wanted to repeal a bill that's been widely hailed as a public safety measure? Do you think the politician or political party would survive long? I think we all know they wouldn't. It would be political suicide.
Is this fair, or in any way ideal? Of course not. Is signing an online petition going to change anything? Not a chance. You want political change? Start with the politicians. We just had our chance. Did anyone see the final election numbers? For those of us who missed it, the same party that's been vilifying the entire tuner scene for the last couple years was just voted in for a second straight majority.
Like it or not gents, this law is here to stay. Watch yourselves out there.
04-25-2008 | 03:39 PM
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Vote against Bill 203
I vote to destroy Bill 203 as a first step to protecting ourselves and our financial futures.
The Ontario Bill 203 hasn't even been out more than a year and there were over 4200 charges laid with approximately 327 actual convictions with increasing amounts of charges laid weekly.
These results demonstrate the following;
1) Bill 203 is allowing officers to charge the tax paying public too freely.
2) The process to convict someone isn't properly setup if only 327 convictions result from 4200 charges. If it is setup properly then look at #1
It's a disgusting cash grab for the police and allows them to justify the hiring spree of police officers in 2007.
PS: I got this little tid bit from a Downtown Toronto newspaper;
In 2006, there were approximately 260 officers making over $100,000 per year. After the hiring spree in 2007 there are approximately 790 officers making over $100,000. I'm not including overtime folks.
Here's another very quick article demonstrating the amount of money that is being sucked out of our tax dollars which this new racing law will continue to provide for;
http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read/138626
Let's do the right thing and kill Bill 203.
The Ontario Bill 203 hasn't even been out more than a year and there were over 4200 charges laid with approximately 327 actual convictions with increasing amounts of charges laid weekly.
These results demonstrate the following;
1) Bill 203 is allowing officers to charge the tax paying public too freely.
2) The process to convict someone isn't properly setup if only 327 convictions result from 4200 charges. If it is setup properly then look at #1
It's a disgusting cash grab for the police and allows them to justify the hiring spree of police officers in 2007.
PS: I got this little tid bit from a Downtown Toronto newspaper;
In 2006, there were approximately 260 officers making over $100,000 per year. After the hiring spree in 2007 there are approximately 790 officers making over $100,000. I'm not including overtime folks.
Here's another very quick article demonstrating the amount of money that is being sucked out of our tax dollars which this new racing law will continue to provide for;
http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read/138626
Let's do the right thing and kill Bill 203.
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