Bring a track to toronto
06-04-2006 | 08:06 PM
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Bring a track to toronto
Just got this e-mail
Help bring a track to Toronto and sign this petition! If you don't, then the government will just trample all car enthusiasts, and we won't have a place to call our own.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/torontostreetracing/
Help bring a track to Toronto and sign this petition! If you don't, then the government will just trample all car enthusiasts, and we won't have a place to call our own.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/torontostreetracing/
06-05-2006 | 03:52 AM
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let's be realistic, where would you even build a track in toronto? you obviously can't build it downtown, so it'd have to be one of the suburbs. the only suburbs that even have enough blank area to build a track would be way way up north, past richmond hill or vaughn. even if you could find an area far enough, then you'd have to find a community which is willing to have a track built in their backyards (which is unlikely).
there's a reason why tracks like shannonville are 2 hours away from toronto in the middle of nowhere and as much as it'd be "nice" to have a track here, signing that petition is pretty much a waste of time.
there's a reason why tracks like shannonville are 2 hours away from toronto in the middle of nowhere and as much as it'd be "nice" to have a track here, signing that petition is pretty much a waste of time.
06-06-2006 | 10:49 PM
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The government wants to develop it but can't make up their minds what to do. It already has long runways that can be used for drag racing. It is also a huge park with lots of room for many different development plans.
Make a drag strip one of them
The government wants to develop it but can't make up their minds what to do. It already has long runways that can be used for drag racing. It is also a huge park with lots of room for many different development plans.
Make a drag strip one of them
06-10-2006 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ..77.
TMP is like 2 1/2 hrs away for me . Why not a little north or northwest of toronto ..77.
As for the rest - provincially-restricted designated green belt areas and protected Oak Ridges Moraine belt.
Once you get to what's left, you're just as far from the city as existing tracks, plus you still would have all the local residents against a new track, and that's assuming a viable business case could even be made for developing another track in the area over and above the ones we already have.
06-11-2006 | 08:39 PM
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I,ve always thought kinda like 1/2 way from T O to Orangeville area . But guys come on and cry out loud about having to drive from T O to Tmp . Its 115 miles one way for me at 11 mpg for the 366 cid engine or 9 mpg for the 406 cid engine . But on the other hand towing with my G Cherokee gives me stereo, leather a/c , heat if I need it and better gas mileage . What torks me off on this subject is if you go on dragstrip locater usa. Theres like 15 strips in Kentucky ??. WTF?? ..77.
07-04-2006 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gldwngr
With the GTA, land is too valuable - developers will make more money using it for housing and commercial development.
As for the rest - provincially-restricted designated green belt areas and protected Oak Ridges Moraine belt.
Once you get to what's left, you're just as far from the city as existing tracks, plus you still would have all the local residents against a new track, and that's assuming a viable business case could even be made for developing another track in the area over and above the ones we already have.
As for the rest - provincially-restricted designated green belt areas and protected Oak Ridges Moraine belt.
Once you get to what's left, you're just as far from the city as existing tracks, plus you still would have all the local residents against a new track, and that's assuming a viable business case could even be made for developing another track in the area over and above the ones we already have.
Last I checked Mattamy and Georgian were still builting on the moraine and you can buy an acre of property north of Brampton for $100,000 still.
Plenty of places to put a track, just no willingness to spend the money. They'd rather spend the money on important stuff such as....giving so-called refugee immigrants healthcare and welfare and allowing terrorists out on bail and deporting hardworking families.
07-05-2006 | 01:34 PM
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There were attempts to purchase land with plans to build a track north of toronto (markham-stoufville area) about 7-8 years ago but local and provincial government would not allow it. Its funny how the government has over the years set up PACER and ERASE to combat the problems of illegal street racing when in fact anytime you see "street racing" in the news 90% of the time its related to a couple of punk idiots racing around local streets with their buddies in the car. Or racing on hte highway, sure technically they are street racing but lets clarify "street racing", myself being a former street racer i did not race on the 401 or younge street or finch. Instead i raced on deserted industrial streets that were blocked off in secure areas away from population at 3-5am in the morning thursday to saturday nights. Where the only ones that could get injured were the participants. These racers are responsible, they don't rip around like idiots, they only race in safe secure locations. For those that are true street racers, sure you see them driving their cars on local streets and highways but we are the ones doing the speed limit or close to it in the slow lanes. Prime example on my way home from work yesterday i passed a 91 lx mustang, which was hopped up pretty good, it had all the signs of being a true drag car, and where did i see it? in the slow lane doing 105kmh, and when i look to my left in the fast lane what do i see? the same arseholes complaining about racers doing 140-150kmh in their minivans weaving traffic. There are many problems that aren't helping the racing scene, first : the fast and the furious(decent movie but sends wrong message) two : cold air intake = 35hp gain!(come on thats why there are so many stupid kids racing around in their fartcan civics) three : if your not gunna race, don't go watch!!! four : if your not gunna race don't go watch(yes i know i put it twice, but this is probably the biggest problem).
Now on to my next issue, "go race at the tracks they say" fine lets all take our cars to the track on the weekend and race, tra la la la off we go. But hark, whats that waiting for us when we leave the track after racing all weekend trying to be part of the solution? Well its Sgt Cam Wooley and the MTO waiting outside for us, yes folks its true, on several occaisions after going to the track myself and others have had to deal with this BS. So now after going to the track and trying to abide by the law you just get screwed anyways, when i could have saved myself 25 bucks in gas and a 3-4 hour drive to and from the track and just raced on the street and not gotten caught or received any tickets.
And now to conclude, i've spoken with many racers past and present, we've tried petitions, we've tried the track route, nothing works, theres a reason they won't put a track near toronto..... money! Its all about money, street racers are a pure cash grab for local and provincial governments. They come out in droves with their helicopters and undercover police vehicles and chase us and pull us over, ticket the hell out of us not caring whether we stop or not, they just want the money. Proof you say? sure can, 3 weeks ago they were front and center taking a stand against racers by crushing 2 "street racers car that were confiscated" well funny story, the 2 cars happened to be sitting at a light albeit reving their engines but they did not race, a cruiser pulled in front of them blocking them both, and proceed to confiscate their cars for "racing" im not sure about the second car but the white hatch was a 93 dx 1.5l daily driver that was on its way to the wreckers, the owner could have got the car back but it wasnt worth it, he was planning to scrap it anyways and they wanted $500 to get it back so he wrote it off. The police were kind enough to slap a few mods on it and proclaim it a race car, hench being heros again! So they get the public backing and the go ahead to write even more tickets for whatever they feel like. If they are so against streetracing and want to keep crushing cars to prove their point then i ask this, where are the 3 corvettes they caught on the 401? where are the mercedez and bmw caught in mississauga? What about the idiot on the 400 on the weekend caught at 200kmh which is double the fastest posted speed in this province. Most street races are over before 150kmh, so whats that guy get? A ticket, woo eee, crush his car too! Do the same to drunk drivers, and everyone that causes a vehicle related crime. Drunk drivers kill more people then "street racers" do.
This is a problem that won't go away because theres too much money to be made folks! Will i sign your petition? sure, will it do any good? nope!
ps : incase some of you doubt me, some of the older members will remember me from the tsr days.
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Now on to my next issue, "go race at the tracks they say" fine lets all take our cars to the track on the weekend and race, tra la la la off we go. But hark, whats that waiting for us when we leave the track after racing all weekend trying to be part of the solution? Well its Sgt Cam Wooley and the MTO waiting outside for us, yes folks its true, on several occaisions after going to the track myself and others have had to deal with this BS. So now after going to the track and trying to abide by the law you just get screwed anyways, when i could have saved myself 25 bucks in gas and a 3-4 hour drive to and from the track and just raced on the street and not gotten caught or received any tickets.
And now to conclude, i've spoken with many racers past and present, we've tried petitions, we've tried the track route, nothing works, theres a reason they won't put a track near toronto..... money! Its all about money, street racers are a pure cash grab for local and provincial governments. They come out in droves with their helicopters and undercover police vehicles and chase us and pull us over, ticket the hell out of us not caring whether we stop or not, they just want the money. Proof you say? sure can, 3 weeks ago they were front and center taking a stand against racers by crushing 2 "street racers car that were confiscated" well funny story, the 2 cars happened to be sitting at a light albeit reving their engines but they did not race, a cruiser pulled in front of them blocking them both, and proceed to confiscate their cars for "racing" im not sure about the second car but the white hatch was a 93 dx 1.5l daily driver that was on its way to the wreckers, the owner could have got the car back but it wasnt worth it, he was planning to scrap it anyways and they wanted $500 to get it back so he wrote it off. The police were kind enough to slap a few mods on it and proclaim it a race car, hench being heros again! So they get the public backing and the go ahead to write even more tickets for whatever they feel like. If they are so against streetracing and want to keep crushing cars to prove their point then i ask this, where are the 3 corvettes they caught on the 401? where are the mercedez and bmw caught in mississauga? What about the idiot on the 400 on the weekend caught at 200kmh which is double the fastest posted speed in this province. Most street races are over before 150kmh, so whats that guy get? A ticket, woo eee, crush his car too! Do the same to drunk drivers, and everyone that causes a vehicle related crime. Drunk drivers kill more people then "street racers" do.
This is a problem that won't go away because theres too much money to be made folks! Will i sign your petition? sure, will it do any good? nope!
ps : incase some of you doubt me, some of the older members will remember me from the tsr days.
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07-05-2006 | 03:07 PM
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Just so you guys know, it's not just the MTO that sit outside of the race tracks, there's also insurance company investigators that sit there and snap picks of you at the track, try to walk by yer ride when the hoods up and secretly grab photos or grab photos from a far distance with zoom lenses, then share with all insurance companies and then check yer files to see if you informed them of any upgrades or mods to yer rides. If you havn't they may have cancelled yer policy and never notified you of said cancellation, till one day you need to make a claim / nabbed by cops and then find out you were dropped a while back and now face a fine up to $5,000 for driving without valid insurance.
Its all big BS, go to track, get nailed, race in an industrial area, 15 seconds later yer done and way less chance of being spyed on or nabbed by MTO, plus you save time/fuel/enviornment by not driving 4 hrs to and fro.
Its all big BS, go to track, get nailed, race in an industrial area, 15 seconds later yer done and way less chance of being spyed on or nabbed by MTO, plus you save time/fuel/enviornment by not driving 4 hrs to and fro.